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Rahvin
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Message 293 of 318 (451266)
01-26-2008 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by pelican
01-26-2008 8:10 PM


Re: Not Quite
Can you prove there is no god?
Can you prove this theory E=MC2
I do not believe either can prove the other 100% wrong.
First - we can and have proven that the formula "E=MC^2" is extremely accurate. It's at the same level of certainty as the Theory of Gravity.
Second - proving that something, anything, does not exist is possible only indirectly, by proving true something that makes the existence of the entity impossible. You can no more prove there isn't a fairy sitting above your shoulder than prove there is no god...but you can prove that god exists with about the same certainty as you can prove the fairy, as well.
This is another example of Creationist tendencies: special pleading. You'll happily accept that there is no such thing as fairies, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, invisible dragons and unicorns, that trolls did not in fact take over the Earth 100 years ago, or any other fantastical figments of the imagination. But when the questions of god or Creation come up, you insist that we "cannot prove it didn't happen" or "cannot prove he doesn't exist," and claim that this means god does exist and Creation did happen.
It's also an example of equivocation based on misunderstandings. As I said, "E=MC^2" has proven to be incredibly accurate. The large number of nuclear reactors currently running in the world depend on it. You clearly don't even understand what that formula means, or how it relates to the world, and yet you make claims about it from ignorance.

When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.

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Rahvin
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Message 298 of 318 (451295)
01-27-2008 3:41 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by pelican
01-27-2008 3:07 AM


Re: Not Quite
Are you saying that E=MC2 has actually been tried and tested?
YES, IT HAS! A few examples would be Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and every nuclear power plant and particle accelerator in the world! ALL of them work on this principle, and every measurement taken shows that it is extremely accurate.
If it has it would not be a theory.
Yes, it is. Yet again, Creationists using words they don't understand, even after being corrected in the same thread. This is poor writing: grammar doesn't even have to come in to it. If you don't know the definition of a word, using it only makes you look silly.
A theory in science is not just an "idea." It's a model used to describe an observed phenomenon. In this case, E=MC^2 is a formula representing the energy equivalence of matter - that is, when matter is annihilated, energy equal to its mass multiplied by the square of the speed of light is released,. This has been tested in particle accelerators using antimatter annihilation, and is the principle that causes nuclear reactions to release so much energy from such tiny amounts of matter. This means that the formula is highly accurate, but does not mean that it's not a theory.
Here's a hint: the Theory of Gravity is still a theory. Do you believe it hasn't been tested, either?
By my reasoning that proves that you cannot back your theories with 100% certainty, even when it is a fantastic formula and mathematically coherent. It is impossible (at this moment) to test this theory M=MC2 in a physical experiment. I believe all theories fit this category of impossible to prove.
Your arguments from incredulity and ignorance are irrelevant. You lack the necessary knowledge of the definition of the word theory as it applies to science, or of the most basic principles involved in your statements.
Your insistence on making such ignorant comments without doing even the most cursory research yet again proves the point of this thread.
Leaving the subject matters aside for a moment, ceationists have exactly the same problem proving their theories in a physical experiment.
Incorrect. Science deals only with that which can be physically tested. That's why things like relativity are scientific, and your nonsense is not.
You believe in E=MC2 because you feel there is enough consequential evidence, as you described.
It's been observed and measured to be accurate. That's pretty damned good evidence.
Creationists also believe because of consequential evidence. Jesus is proved to have lived. He believed in god. He must be telling the truth because he was the son of god.
The most funny thing is that you don't even see the circular logic here. Jesus believed in god, so god must exist, because Jesus is god's son so he would know.
When the ONLY reference is one book, deemed to be inspired by god who is the father of Jesus, it makes perfect sense.
Right. It makes perfect sense to someone who cannot see circular logic for what it is. The Bible is true because god wrote it. We know god wrote it because the Bible said so.
There must be many bible theories that permeate your life that you are not even aware of. How many of the 10 commandments do you obey? Whether or not you believed you were following the commandments, I think it could be easily proved that you are.
This may come as a shock to you, but Christianity, and even religion do not have a monopoly on morality. And I can think of several commandments I think are utter garbage, aside from that.
As you know for a fact that I am ignorant on the mathematical theory/formula, I give you the floor. Tell me what I don't know.
...asked the thimble to the bucket. My knowledge is dwarfed by some of the members here, but at least I do a little research before I make statements about things I can easily verify. It prevents me from putting my foot in my mouth and looking like a fool.

When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.

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