Creator of God, Big Bang

This still makes no analogical sense.

I don't believe you...How do you know it is God? You seem confident... too confident. Please link me to these laws you have brought. I don't know what you're refering too.

ok. let's see...ah well.the radiation you are bringing to me, is like ashes of wood. while looking for the wood the ashes came from, but instead finding the ashes and saying : aha! here it is!so when i state the law of existence, I'm not referring to the ashes leftover.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

http://EvC Forum: Creator of God, Big Bang -->EvC Forum: Creator of God, Big Bang its on this topic. you can click my name to find other debates. there pretty long tho.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

False. Salt crystals can form perfect cubes without direction. That's false too, although I won't refute it because basically it is an Argument from Incredulity. Then this god is not Christian God. While your conclusion might be sound, it is based on false premises so your conclusion is false.Sound does not mean true.

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no one was there, this is a tentative theory "possibly true". but your right, my language should have been more politically correct for the theory. no. im using this analogy for creation. not the big bang. the chemistry analogy isn't saying the big bang was an act of chemistry literally, but as an analogy, the energy that all things came from created, and that the radiation is more probable to be a by-product of the creation. i forgot a word:IT. but it is not the wood....

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

salt crystals are an ordered structure. not chaos. ok... john 1:1also, who told moses to set his people free? "I AM"

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

Sure, but a salt solution, from where the crystals form, is without order. Order can come from disorder without any direction or intelligence needed. So what? Gen 1:27. Gen 3:22.The Christian God is not just

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intellegent energy that existed singularly

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Your example doesn't show that. Salt obeys a design principle which is directional. Moreover, there is every reason to think the origin of information and design stems from intelligence.

water is an ordered structure, and salt is an ordered structure, the reaction with them both together is exactly as it should be under the condition that the two properties exist. its this complication of perfect order that shows to me a design of intended purpose.chaos becoming order by direction would be examples as: fractals (man directed) or a house built on sand , by a foundation being made superior to the sands properties by man.another example of direction is living things, which are directed by DNA.in no instance will you find absolute disorder maintaining order on top of it without direction. either A: its an ordered form, behaving as designed, or B: a chaotic form conquered by direction. no, actually, its: intelligent energy that existed singularly, and created all that is based on faith that it was/is.but you'll not see that, because you see God as above heaven and earth. when he is a part of it. the marriage of the lamb is where God accepts man back into his body even tho we denied him here, as long as christ will speak for you. and so what does he say about denial? i cannot judge how the denial will be considered an offense for death, but I'm not ignorant of it, so i cant deny him what is him.perhaps for some it would be better to be ignorant, but even as the story of the talents, what God says to gamble in the markets, so do i gamble the money he gave me to gamble.Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

Nuh-uh

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Seriously, though, what evidence suggests that salt obeys a design principle?You can't use the order, itself, as the evidence because that is what is suggesting design and that would make the reasoning circular. There is also every reason to think that it doesn't.

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If I put salt in water to make a solution and then evaporate the water to let crystals form, those crystals can form perfect simple cubic crystalline structures all on there own without any aid at all.Why do I need to add intellegence to the process when it works fine without any?

You do realise how absurd you sound when you basically say that the hundreds of person years spent accurately modelling the state of the universe are less valid in their conclusions than your personal observations?On the one hand you say that the cosmology community uses tentative theories as if this is some flaw in the arguement and on the other hand you state with all confidence (but with no actual evidence) that you are correct because you have concluded it to be so.Have you not wondered why both sides of the evc divide are unable to concur with your conclusion?Th OP states that he conciders that a cloud of hydrogen coming out of no where is more plausible than a deity class entity spontaneously arising.While one could argue it took years for hydrogen atoms to form as the universe cooled from it's quark-gluon plasma state, you can't get much less complex than this plasma (which has been recreated in the lab by the way).A god arising from such plasma seems much less likely.

Salt water is not an ordered structure. Salt crystals are. We can get order from disorder. You're wrong. You assume design, a priori, and then look for something that can seem to be designed, then you conclude designed.There is nothing in the growing of salt crystals that suggests an intelligent designer all on its own. You have to assume design to see design and that's why its bullshit and worthless. At the end of the day, that statement really means nothing. See right there in "A", you're assuming design before you even look. Nope because I see god inside me as well. He'd have to be a part of it for that. I've failed to make any sense out of that mumbo-jumbo.