Before Big Bang God or Singularity

If you want to quotemine me and ignore the obvious implications in what I am saying then I'm afraid I'm too busy to bother communicating any further Watching you play the fool with my time is not fun

Hi Hill Billy, I was getting along with what Rahvin said rather easily but cavediver blew my mind with this. If there was no singularity that the Big Bang expanded from into our universe. There could have been no abiogenesis, thus no evolution which means according to science I am not sitting here typing this message. It is only a figmant of my imagination which does not exist.Either that or the Bible is correct and God created the universe and put man in it.Or Big Bang is dead and we have another theory.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi cavediver, You tell me:When I asked:Then you started answering someone else rather than address my question what do you expect me to do?If you are convinced of the string or superstring theory just say so.
But that has nothing to do with the question.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Well, people generally refer to the "north pole" as the true north pole and the magnetic north pole as the magnetic north pole.How is nitpicking going to answer this question?We rely on the compass to see where north generally lies if we are standing quite a ways from there. If you're an explorer seeking the north pole (the true north pole), I don't think you'd give a shit what your compass says.So, answer the question. What's north of the north pole?People always ask what's before the singularity as if it's somehow going to destroy science and bring back christian theocratic rule. I'm just tired of seeing this argument put forth over and over... as if 200 years of science advancement will be destroyed by this question.

You mean just like when people ask who created god?Cause I'm tired of seeing that one too.

Hi Taz, First, a question can destroy nothing the answer is another thing.Science says there was a singularity. Big Bang says there was a singularity.Unless Science has changed it's collective mind. There are many that think the theory as now put forth is very incomplete.I say there was no singularity therefore there could be no Big Bang as taught.You care to show evidence that I am wrong? I would love to discuss it.That is the question in the OP God or singularity, including Big Bang.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Why don't (can't) you show evidence that you are right?

Hi Scientist, First we must decide if there was a beginning.Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/bigbang.htm Beginning - definition of beginning by The Free Dictionary This definition implies that none of the things brought into being during the orgin of the universe had an existence prior to the orgin of the universe.Therefore it is not the distribution of things but the actual creation of those things and the distribution of them.Can we agree that these statements are true?Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I can assume that anything is true for the sake of arguing If fact, you can just phrase your argument as: If X is assumed to be true, then Y.And then you don't even have to ask for my agreement to move the argument forward. If I don't agree with your assumptions then I can still address your agument, or I can address why your premises are false.But anyways.... They did not have existance as they are now, but what they came from was not a total lack of anything, meaning that they did not come from nothing. Like I said, the Big Bang is not creation ex nihilo...Also: Is more accurately read, according to the hebrew, as:

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In the beginning, when god was creating the heaven and the earth...

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Not that it happened at some instant in the past.

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Science fails to recognize the single most potent element of human existence.
Letting the reigns go to the unfolding is faith, faith, faith, faith.
Science has failed our world.
Science has failed our Mother Earth.
-System of a Down, "Science"He who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man.
-Avenged Sevenfold, "Bat Country"

Since you seem to want to play word games instead of learning something let me try to tighten up the question:If you are standing directly on the north pole of the earth's axis of rotation (the magnetic pole has n o t h i n g to do with this and you should know that) and you ask "what is north of here?". Is there an answer to that question?It is not a trick. It is a learning tool to understand something about the formation of valid statements and questions.

Unfortunately, that is all ICANT wants to do. His disrespect for actual knowledge is blatently obvious. Typical idiot teenager. As a Christian, he needs to go to his pastor and ask him about humility and how one goes about learning topics that are seriously out of his depth. Hopefully his pastor will have the good grace to explain a few home truths.

FYI, actually, I think he's an old fart (no offense to anyone), like almost 70 years old. But his behavior is the same, you're correct.

Hi Ned, Sure it is a trick question. It is intended to divert the attention away from the real question. Which is: It is just like another question that is asked: "Then who created God?"Would you like to discuss the question I proposed in my OP or your question.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

As many others have attempted to explain to you, the entire premise of your question is faulty. It's like asking: "Which is a better typewriter, a giraffe or a bologna sandwich?"I have my own question. Are we going to be mucking up the cosmology boards with this stuff as well?Edited by PMOC, : No reason given.

Hi cavediver,Glad to see you are still here. Could I correct just a couple of things you wrote? Oh well I will anyway.
I was born the first time in 1939 I was born again in 1949.
I began my first pastorate when in 1967.
I am presently my pastor so I don't have anyone to go to.
As far as humility I have been around EvC too long to have any of that left to use while on site.
I have all the respect in the world for knowledge it is fantastic.
When it comes to lies, half truths, and suppositions that is a different story. I have no respect for those.Would you like to discuss my question or throw up smoke?Or you could say the Big Bang and singularity is lacking in evidence to answer your question. However I, cavediver and others have a better theory or an amendment to the Big Bang theory. Then we could discuss that.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."