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Message 23 of 302 (452194)
01-29-2008 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Modulous
01-29-2008 4:51 PM


Re-Value
Hi Modulous,
Modulous writes:
I don't think I am more valuable to you than you are to yourself.
Mod I think you are very valuable to me because I am ignorant when it comes to science.
So I thank you for your patience in explaining things and not being one of those Hill Billy is refering too.
Hill Billy if you read this Modulous is very valuable.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 31 of 302 (452232)
01-29-2008 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Creationista
01-29-2008 3:23 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Hi Creationista,
Welcome to EvC
Why did you not explain that the two verses you were quoting was concerning speaking in other tongues.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 35 of 302 (452245)
01-29-2008 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by teen4christ
01-29-2008 7:29 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Hi t4c,
teen4christ writes:
I don't see anything there that would drastically change the fact that women are not allowed to speak in church and that it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.
I can't find where Paul changed subjects from speaking in tongues, interperting, or the prophets speaking to anything else.
So you are saying because Paul said it was a shame for a woman to speak in tongues, interpet tongues, or speak as a prophet he said they could not speak at all in the church.
Live and learn everyday.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 52 of 302 (452312)
01-30-2008 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Taz
01-29-2008 10:04 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Hi Taz,
ICANT, are you trying to be ironic? Because I can't tell if you intended or not to be ironic.
This is exactly what Hill Billy is talking about in this thread.
You think because I am a creationist I am stupid.
Taz the Bible is my life, just like some of these people science is their life.
So don't tell me what the Bible says.
If you or anyone wants to understand it all you have to do is ask 5 questions about a passage. The same questions a reporter need to have answers too. To write a good story.
Who is talking.
What are they talking about.
To whom are they talking.
Why are they talking.
When or about what time are they talking.
Keep everything in context and it will make sense.
Now you make Paul say whatever you want him to say.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 63 of 302 (452491)
01-30-2008 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Taz
01-30-2008 2:03 AM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Hi Taz,
Taz writes:
You have no idea how many times I've heard that one from people who didn't know jack about the bible.
I have no doubt as I have met a lot in my lifetime that was pastoring churches.
I have met a lot of them on this web site.
Taz I am not very smart. I only made straight A's in school grades 1-16. I take that back I did make one B for one six week period in algebra.
Then I wasted my life by most of my friends standards because I became a preacher and pastored and build churches. I built a lot of other things also.
And yes I feel that there are those on here who think they are better than anybody else. There is no problem with that until it begins to show in their writings in their posts.
I also know several on here that are great people. RAZD and Modulous are a couple. I have been able to learn much from them. Then there are creationist on here that are the same as the evolutionist that believe they are better than anyone else and it shows in their posts.
When it comes to science I know very little. But I am learning.
When it comes to the Bible I know volumes. I study it at least 6 hours a day even spending as much time on here as I have the last couple of weeks.
Am I better than anyone. That would be dependend on whom I comparing myself too. Since I choose to compare myself to Jesus I am nothing and I know nothing.
Have fun,

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Message 65 of 302 (452530)
01-30-2008 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by nator
01-30-2008 4:07 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Hi nator,
nator writes:
Do you mean Community College?
No regular college in which I took language for 6 years.
Florida Baptist College Lakeland Fla. in the 60's
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 68 of 302 (452562)
01-30-2008 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by arachnophilia
01-30-2008 5:01 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Hi arach,
archnophilia writes:
do you mean "baptist college of florida" in lakeland? "florida baptist college" is in tampa and was founded in 2005.
Nope, the one in Lakeland It went out of existence sometime in the 90's while I was overseas. I did not even know it had happened and still don't know all the particulars.
I did not even know there was one in Tampa.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 73 of 302 (452653)
01-30-2008 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by teen4christ
01-30-2008 7:25 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Hi t4c,
teen4christ writes:
1 Cor about women in churches.
I an not going to try to rationalize this passage. To do so I would have to have rational people to explain it to. Since you and Taz have your mind made up it would take too many posts, And I am not going to try Percy's patience.
I will say Paul was talking about a specific subject. And giving intructions how it was to be done. If you have ever been in a unknown tongue speaking church you should understand Pauls concerns.
I'm Done Have Fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 75 of 302 (452659)
01-30-2008 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by arachnophilia
01-30-2008 6:24 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Hi arach,
arachnophilia writes:
you can understand my confusion, i hope.
Sounds like they got around almost as much as I did.
After 1973 The only ones involved in the school that I kept up with was two of my professors who moved to California. There is only one left alive now.
You know how you don't like my Genesis approach well they didn't either only my professor and one other student. I was pastoring a church in the area and about a year after school we had an agreement to disagree and went separate ways.
If they are in Brandon I will have to look them up and see what their theology is these days. I know the last I heard it was getting pretty liberal in the 80's. If you got an address e-mail it to me.
And always have fun.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 121 of 302 (453305)
02-01-2008 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Hill Billy
02-01-2008 7:11 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Hi Hill Billy,
Hill Billy writes:
So, Am I being clear?
I think it is perfectly clear. Paul was talking about speaking in tongues and prophesying. Since those gifts are not operative today why can't they speak as my ladies even ask questions during the sermon. But they ask me as I am the one lecturing. I even encourage anyone to ask questions.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 123 of 302 (453375)
02-02-2008 1:24 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Hill Billy
02-02-2008 12:35 AM


Re: Double double ?
Hi Hill Billy,
Hill Billy writes:
Now you might think I have a strange way of goin about it, tryin to get an agreement that is, and I'm sure you'd be right, but I don't want folks thinkin that just cause I wanna agree means I'm gonna swallow any bull.
What has a strange way of getting information to do with it. I am sure if you follow me much you will think I do strange things sometimes.
After all this is a debate board. I learned a little about debating in High school about 54 years ago. You need to get the opposition to answer your question giving you the answer you expect and want.
You think speaking in tongues is the issue at hand. (which I never thought of by the way.)
After studying it for 45+ years I am pretty convinced the churches were having a problem with speaking in tongues and prophesying that no body could learn anything in the service and Paul was trying to put an end to the confusion. The Corinth church was a very large church.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 204 of 302 (455144)
02-10-2008 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by bluescat48
02-10-2008 9:21 PM


Re: Repositioning to begin in 5....4...3..2.1
Hi bluescat48,
bluescat48 writes:
Superior to what?
That's easy cat, everybody else.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 250 of 302 (455575)
02-12-2008 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by nator
02-12-2008 6:09 PM


Re: Anti-science crowd?
Hi nator,
nator writes:
There is a strong grass roots anti-vaccination movement, anti-FDA movement, anti-modern medicine movement, all of which reject science in favor of pseudoscience, quackery, and mysticism.
Last time I checked the medical profession, doctors, hospitals and drug companies had become the number 1 cause of death in the US.
Maybe it is time somebody started asking questions.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 261 of 302 (455966)
02-14-2008 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by AZPaul3
02-14-2008 5:27 PM


Re: Anti-science crowded house
Hi AZPaul3,
AZPaul3 writes:
abe: Just to tie into the actual subject of this thread, yes, I am feeling quite superior at this point.
Hold on tight.
AZPaul3 writes:
I guess there is a third scenario. All other stories about the birth of this universe are the fairy tales of superstitious religious wishful thinking . and there are thousands of them. And from the facts we do know, these fanciful stories can all be ignored.
So if I say "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Even though the universe exists and I am here presenting this message it is just a fairy tale as it is wishful thinking. In other words a bunch of hogwash.
But you with all your education can say in the long ago 13+ billion years ago there was this small something that was in a place that did not exist yet and we don't know where it came from or why. It just appeared from nowhere in nothing and started to expand into the universe we see today.
Can you step back for a moment and explain to this dumb dirt farmer how that is supposed to be more acceptable than me saying God created the heaven and the earth.
Maybe I don't know where my God came from.
But you can't tell me where yours came from either.
Maybe that was my God. He He.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 264 of 302 (455976)
02-14-2008 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by AZPaul3
02-14-2008 6:14 PM


Re: Anti-science crowded house
Hi AZPaul3
AZPaul3 writes:
Where it came from we do not know. How it came into being we do not know. Yet.
Well the "small something" was the entire universe and the "place that did not exist yet" is a gross misunderstanding of the concept, but, other than those quibbles ... Yep.
Son Goku told me it was about the size of a pea, in the 400+ thread in which we discussed it.
Message 295 in:
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What ever it was it had to be someplace or it had to be in an absence of anything unless it was in Hawking's imaginary time.
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Where it came from we do not know. How it came into being we do not know. Yet.
  —AZPaul3
OK you don't know where it came from.
You don't know how it came into being.
You don't know what it appeared in.
You don't know if it came from something.
You don't know if it came from an absence of anything.(Ex nihilo )
All you know is it was. Because you have been told so.
All that sounds like a fairy tale to me.
But you want me to believe it just happened because you say it happened the way you say it happened and we are here so it must have happened the way you say it happened.
Yep that is just what this thread is all about.
Message 260
AZPaul3 writes:
abe: Just to tie into the actual subject of this thread, yes, I am feeling quite superior at this point.
Considering your Message 262 and the above from msg 260.
I diagnose you with a severe case of superiority complex.
God Bless you need it,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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