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I was kinda hopin Taz would go lookin for it but hey, there it is, proof that the bible does NOT specifically say

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You know, nitpicking is viewed by many as just a form of intellectual dishonesty. Consider the following.Lawyer: Mr. Johnson, did you or did you not hit little Billy with your car?Defendant: No, sir, I did not.Lawyer: But I have here a police report saying you confessed to the police at the scene of the accident that you ran over little billy with your car.Defendant: I was driving my van. Technically, it's not a car.This form of intellectual dishonesty (nitpicking) might make you look smart among your friends, but it will never get you far in life. You are complaining that "educated" people look down on uneducated folks. This is why. "Educated" people debate with each other honestly and in good faith. They pay close attention to important details while discarding the unimportant ones. "Uneducated" people seem to only be able to nitpick the semantics, make a big deal out of unimportant details while ignoring the important ones, and then pat themselves on the back.On the social side, nobody likes nitpickers. In my freshman year, I befriended a smart-wannabe who was constantly nitpicking everything I said. One night, we were watching an episode of star trek deep space nine when about 3,000 jem hada warships with hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of crewmen and soldiers onboard were wiped out of existence by a group of god-like aliens called the prophets. I said that I kinda felt sorry for those people even though they were the bad guys. This friend of mine had to comment that those people didn't exist so technically I couldn't feel sorry for them. I thought for a moment and then responded, "ok, so I feel sorry for the idea that millions of people were wiped out of existence in a split second."I stopped hanging out with that guy and I don't think he made many friends because when you talk to him he constantly nitpick every word you say rather than paying attention to what you are saying.Intellectual dishonesty, nothing more.

I used to spend hours reading those quotations and tracking down the quoted people. Sometimes, I have to wonder if a lot of them are nothing more than trolls. It's hard to imagine anyone that ignorant yet so arrogant.

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Why did you not explain that the two verses you were quoting was concerning speaking in other tongues.

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For a moment, let's assume that we are talking about speaking in tongues. Are you saying that men are allowed to speak in tongues in church but women are not?But anyway, let's look at the whole chapter.

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1 Corinthians 14

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Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues

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1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. 3But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. 4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.

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6Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.

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13For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? 17You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.

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18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

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20Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21In the Law it is written:
"Through men of strange tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

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22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, 25and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!"

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Orderly Worship

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26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two”or at the most three”should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.

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29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

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36Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

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39Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

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I don't see anything there that would drastically change the fact that women are not allowed to speak in church and that it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.Edited by teen4christ, : fixed db problems

Horses bite? I will never look at a horse the same way again.

ICANT, not to ruin the mood or anything, but I'm really curious about how you rationalize that particular passage in 1 Cor about women in churches. Myself and a few others are keeping our eyes out for your explanation.Take care.

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I will say Paul was talking about a specific subject. And giving intructions how it was to be done. If you have ever been in a unknown tongue speaking church you should understand Pauls concerns.

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But why only women if that was what Paul was talking about?

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an not going to try to rationalize this passage. To do so I would have to have rational people to explain it to. Since you and Taz have your mind made up

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Seems kinda defeat the purpose of discussion, doesn't it?No, really, I really want to know what you have to say about this. I haven't heard an explanation for this passage before.Good night to you.

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are you really unaware that Hill Billy is laughing at you for being suckered into his "discussion"?

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I once read a chinese story. Bare with me, it will make sense.The story goes like this. There live a husband, a wife, and 2 children. The husband is a respected public official. The 2 children are scholarly students. But the wife is viewed by many as not too bright. One day, while the husband is eating with his friends, the "dumb wife" topic somehow came up. His friends, one by one, begin to tell how dumb their wives are. Not to be outdone, the husband tells his friends that his wife is the dumbest one of all, and he will demonstrate it. He tells one of his friends to pick up the phone and call his home and to tell the "dumbest wife" that the friend is her son and that he needs X (very large) sum of money right now because he is in trouble.So, the friend proceeds to call the wife of the husband and tells her that he is in trouble and need X amount of money right now. But she can't see him so she'll have to go to the end of the street, leave the money there, and go back home. Even though the voice didn't sound like that of her son, the wife agrees.Later that day after she had placed the money in the dark alley, the husband and 2 children come home with the money and begin to yell at the wife. "How could you be so dumb? Couldn't you tell it wasn't our son's voice?"Crying, the wife answers, "Yes, I realized that it wasn't our son's voice, but there was still a chance that it could have been our son in trouble, even if that chance was very very small."It looks like a troll, it sounds like a troll, it even smells like a troll. But there's chance it's just a lost soul, even if that chance is infinitesimally small. Edited by teen4christ, : No reason given.

Hill Billy writes

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Is this the only alternative You see?

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Actually, the thought of a state sponsored internet access in certain insane asylums to stimulate certain communication skills did cross my mind for a few seconds.

Hill Billy writes

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Btw, any body, what does the troll reference mean?

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A troll is a mythological creature that is obnoxious and is bent on causing disorder within a community through mischief.In internet term, it is someone that intentionally post messages that are volatile in nature to attain strong reactions from members within the internet community. Basically, it's someone that gets a kick out of driving people crazy.I've had a few encounters with these critters in the past.

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Are these critters dangerous?

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Most of the time, no.