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Author Topic:   The Significance of the Dover Decision
arachnophilia
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Message 5 of 150 (451877)
01-28-2008 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jazzns
01-28-2008 5:04 PM


I personally challenge randman to support his contention that anyone who is not an evo views the trial as a sham.
i got at least one christian who has publically announced his opinion of the proceedings of the trial:
John E. Jones III - Wikipedia


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arachnophilia
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Message 95 of 150 (452341)
01-30-2008 3:58 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by PaulK
01-30-2008 1:35 AM


Re: a general reply
Let me add that the vague idea that a creator did something somehow in the course of evolution is not science and never can be.
depends on what you mean by "creator" and what the "somehow" is. entirely within the confines of evolution, human beings have "created" various animals through the process of artificial selection. the prominent example of canis lupus familiaris comes to mind. selection is a process through which an intelligent entity such as the human race can use evolution creatively.
it's also important to note that human examples of artificial selection are quite prone to genetic problems. we're not very good at it, and we end up with dogs that can't breathe and cats that can't stop crying because we're selecting for shorter snouts. any example of supernatural selection would probably be indistinguishable from natural selection. but hey, ID "scientists" there's a question for you to investigate. i expect to see research on this. go go go!


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Message 97 of 150 (452349)
01-30-2008 4:58 AM
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01-30-2008 4:03 AM


Re: a general reply
actually, there are several topics i'd like some valid ID research on. i'm not opposed to the idea that design by intelligent agents can be show scientifically, i'd just like to see how. i'll post a new thread tomorrow with an example application for design detection research, if you'd be interested in showing how ID is scientific.


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