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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
You make a fair point. Our existence depends on all forces and the fine balance between them. Gravity just seems a little more obvious to me (and apparently to LucytheApe), but what is obvious is ultimately a subjective judgement. The answer will vary from person to person.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
How is this a point to be made? I was explaining to tesla as well as to the standing audience that he is wrong concerning his statement that gravity holds atoms together i never said it did, although i believe they are related. i said G-force (short for "the great force") which is what i was taught it was called. it isn't very well understood, but it is considered infinitly more powerful than gravity. my theory concerning the G-force and gravity, is that the collective sharing of the g-force in atoms resonate together. so that matter composed of more atoms, have more shared g-force, which resonate as a greater gravity. which is why the attraction is not by size, but by density. furthermore, the interactions of the universal energies are in harmony, and are considered by most as the "natural order". no man has yet built a star system, much less a galaxy, nor created any biological thing from a stone. which should at least humble yourselves to admit the complexity and scale. how about this sidelined, post for our good friends a scale of the universe in this way: show the earth next to the sun in scale. show the planets in the solar system next to the sun and earth in scale. then show an averaged size star next to our sun and planets and earth to scale. then show the sky at night with the clarity of all the stars in it. then show the darkest known spot of that sky amplified as much as possible. now..looking at that...re-evaluate the ability and knowledge of man. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Hi Tesla,
tesla writes: i said G-force (short for "the great force") which is what i was taught it was called. it isn't very well understood, but it is considered infinitly more powerful than gravity. That is where the confusion arises then. There is no such force as "the great force", at least, if there is, then that is not what physicists call it. Perhaps you mean the strong nuclear force or the weak nuclear force. If so it would help if you referred to them in a way that others could understand. For the record, G-force is universally understood as referring to gravity. You need to iron out some of this confusion before expecting others to take your idea seriously.PS-Don't expect a reply from Sidelined, he's not about right now. Mutate and Survive
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teen4christ Member (Idle past 5799 days) Posts: 238 Joined: |
Tesla, I'm curious about something. Where did you learn about this "great force"?
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
ah. thanks for the correction the force that holds atoms together is the force I'm referring. i guess that would be the "strong" force?
ill make sure i remember that in the future. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
i don't really remember. its been a long time since Ive really gone over it, i may have learned it in the ninth grade (where i spent three years) or read about it in an encyclopedia or one of the great books of the western world.
I'm mostly self taught, and have a G.E.D. but it has aided my understanding because I had to work out truths of text by myself. the same way i learned how to be a mechanic, hands on. i watch people of today in school, and notice how they just copy text for online degrees, and really learn nothing. or listen to a teacher and take the teachers word on the truth of it. Ive always been stoic to the point of anal, in that if i cant apply what Ive read to logic, there's too many missing pieces to take it at face value. and either more research needs done, or its useless information. I'm just a construction worker. but i know that a person judges a person by what they have and what they do. i believe a lot of it is subconscious. but observe the way a person reacts to a movie star, who is rude, and then watch the same person react to a construction worker, who isn't. you'll find that the interest of the person is far greater for the rude movie star. knoledge works the same way. a person who has a lot of documents to show how smart they are, many times, will believe themselves to be so smart there is nothing left to learn. but the man, who walks with eyes open for truth , and willingness to learn, is far smarter. so also did the hypocrites in Jesus time, who were known to be the most godly among men, were by Jesus estimation, evil hypocrites. because they glorified themselves. and Glory belongs to God. so also, does what i give here not meant to glorify me, but to glorify God. so if one comes to understand the truth, and i die tomorrow, and the work is passed on, then God will be glorified when men understand he IS. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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i watch people of today in school, and notice how they just copy text for online degrees, and really learn nothing. You've read many posts from good people explaining how you are wrong or mistaken, and yet you continue to spout the same idea as if it were correct. It seems you really have learned nothing.
if i cant apply what Ive read to logic, there's too many missing pieces to take it at face value. and either more research needs done, or its useless information. Why not take into consideration that you are just misunderstanding what you've read? Or simply don't understand the subject. When everyone is telling you that the sky is blue after you repeatedly claim its green, it is a good indication that you might be wrong. Why can you accept that as a possibility?
but the man, who walks with eyes open for truth , and willingness to learn, is far smarter. Take your own advice, man. Instead of continuing to spout the same nonsense, why don't you try to understand what people are telling you? There's a lot to learn if YOU had the willingness...
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
Take your own advice, man. Instead of continuing to spout the same nonsense, why don't you try to understand what people are telling you? There's a lot to learn if YOU had the willingness... i am willing with proof. no one has proven the laws wrong. and all my observation's say there correct.
When everyone is telling you that the sky is blue after you repeatedly claim its green, it is a good indication that you might be wrong. Why can you accept that as a possibility?
i considered it very seriously for a very long time. years. I've just been hashing it out longer so already know a lot of the debate I'm having with others, I've had it with myself. Edited by tesla, : No reason given. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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teen4christ Member (Idle past 5799 days) Posts: 238 Joined: |
quote:I'm beginning to understand where your misunderstandings are coming from. You know, not everyone go for online degrees. I spend at least 4-6 hours a day with my face burried in my books and notes trying to work out problems. I'm not a very bright person so it always seems like I have to work extra hard to run as fast as the people around me. The best thing that happened in my life was that I realized very early on that I wasn't as bright as other people around me. Only through humility (a lot of it in fact) have I been able to make it this far. My only advice to you is this, and this comes straight from my personal experience. The first step toward learning any new information and absorbing it correctly is to start out with a really open mind. In other words, it's always better to assume you will learn something rather than be stubborn with your preconceptions, which are more often than not are really misconceptions. With that said, you can take my word for it that there is no such thing as the "great force". I was tempted to think you meant the strong and weak nuclear forces, but even that didn't make much sense.
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teen4christ Member (Idle past 5799 days) Posts: 238 Joined: |
tesla writes
quote:Ok, let's start at the beginning. What laws are you referring to? What observations have you made about this and how have they supported your laws?
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
With that said, you can take my word for it that there is no such thing as the "great force". I was tempted to think you meant the strong and weak nuclear forces, but even that didn't make much sense. the balance between the strong nuclear force that binds the nucleus and the the electromagnetic force that controls the movement and actions of the electrons around the nucleus. it is the strong force that i meant by "g-force" or "great force". i gave it the wrong name, but insert "strong force" where i have said "great force" and you'll see what i mean. without the force that binds the nucleus, the atom cannot maintain form. however, my "theory" about its relevance to gravity is a theory of mine. and so it is a "guess". keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
instead of going through it all over again here, just go here:
http://EvC Forum: Creator of God, Big Bang -->EvC Forum: Creator of God, Big Bang keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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teen4christ Member (Idle past 5799 days) Posts: 238 Joined: |
Ok, let's look at each statement.
quote:Good enough. quote:I think you have a misunderstanding of what chaos is as a scientific term. Chaos does not mean random. Chaos, at first glance, behaves like randomness but when you plot it out you will see a definite structure. In other words, there literally is order in chaos. If you dispute this point, I will explain further to you about chaotic systems and chaos theory.
quote:This is also another point that has been shown false through recent experiments. Within space-time, virtual particles come about and disappear all the time. They appear to behave like real particles. quote:I'm having trouble understanding how you made the leap from your previous point to this. quote:Again, what do you mean by "ordered"? Can you define this in some kind of way that doesn't involve human intuition? quote:I'm also having problem seeing how you made the leap from your previous points to this. quote:I don't think it's even valid, let alone sound. I've disputed most of your premises. You need to show that your premises are true and your conclusion valid before you can state that your argument is sound.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
i have answered all these questions time and again. if you want to know my answers, click my name and see what i have said.
keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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teen4christ Member (Idle past 5799 days) Posts: 238 Joined: |
Then I trust that other people have tried before. I guess we can move onto another topic.
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