Religion v Spirituality

That's not what I learned from the physical world. The physical world only taught me that the physical world does not offer a meaning to our existance. This has no bearing on there being one or not. The spiritual world has also taught me that it offers no meaning to our existance (mostly 'cause it doesn't say much). I have not been shown any world that provides meaning to our existance. When I realized this, it was easy to realize that I could give meaning to my existance in any way I'd like. Much more freedom that way. And it's obvious that it takes much more strength to impose a righteous meaning on your own existance than it is to have it given to you from any external source. Are you able to unblock this expansion somehow? Are you able to show how to be more aware of any misconceptions? Or can you identify any of these awareness-blocking misconceptions? Are you able to provide one? What is it? You seem to be very hesitant to expand on giving any information. Is there a problem with sharing this information?You seem to be saying you have all these wonderful ideas of how to help people break down their misconceptions, or how to help show the reality of a spiritual existance. But then you don't seem keen on providing what the help actually is. Maybe you know you can help, but you don't want to? Is this what your 'down to earth' spiritual existance does? Does it remove your desire to help others? Or maybe it reduces your freedom to only answering direct questions? I hope this message will suffice.

You're missing my point. I'm not talking about a meaning in spirituality either. I'm talking about a meaning in the physical world.You said "There was and is no meaning to our existance" (as far as the physical world is concerned). That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there certainly is a physical meaning to our existance, it's just not provided to us by the physical world itself. We certainly can create a physical meaning for ourselves in the physical world. I, um... I thought I did ask. That's what all these questions were for:

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Are you able to provide one? What is it?

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Is this what your 'down to earth' spiritual existance does?

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I really would just like for you to explain whatever it is you're talking about.But you did mention this: I don't understand what E=MC2 has to do with it, but if you meant you're preparing a new thread to discuss all the questions I've asked (along with everyone elses), then I'll wait for that.I don't really know what's wrong with answering the questions in this thread, but if you really think another is best, then I'll wait to see what kind of information you actually have to share.

By 'physical meaning to our existence', I mean pretty much any meaning we can come up with. For example "I want to have kids and teach them to be kind, gentle people" is a physical meaning to our existence. Or "I want to be the best ice-cream salesman in the country" is a physical meaning to our existence.It's not provided to us because we make these meanings up ourselves. At least, I haven't heard of anything that provides these meanings. But... all the energy we produced by splitting the atom is physical energy. What do you mean?By "we cannot detect in a physical form", do you mean we just have no way to detect it right now? Or that it's impossible to ever detect? That is, is it something that is part of the physcial world, and we just don't know it yet, or is it something that will never, ever be physical in any way?

Can you identify any meaning/purpose that is not "in the material world"? I would even consider a purpose such as "to love as much as I can" or "to do what I can in order to gain access to the afterlife" as being in the material world. I'm afraid I don't have the education required to continue this line of thought where I'd like it to go. I really don't know too much about energy and relativity and mass and such. But, are you saying there's some energy in an atomic explosion that is not accounted for in some way? I was trying to say that atomic explosions occur exactly as we'ed expect them to. That is, all energy and mass components are accounted for (measured and quantifiable). Are you saying I'm wrong? If you are saying I'm wrong, can you explain to me what's being missed? I agree, yes. We all have atoms, that could theoretically-possibly be split, and their energy could be released. Is that what you mean here? We possess this energy?I agree to that in the sense of possess that the atoms with this energy are a part of our physical bodies.I do not agree to that in the sense of possess that implys we somehow have control over this energy. What makes you think we can control the internal-energy inside the atoms of our bodies?And then we jump to "this energy that will lift us to another realm". I'm not sure where that comes from. I mean, even if we assume we can tap into this energy somehow... what makes you think it will lift us to another realm? Why wouldn't it do something else, like maybe... give us the ability of telepathy, or maybe we'ed spontaneously explode in a mini-atom bomb. Why do you assume this energy (that I still don't even think we can get to) has a specific purpose, and that you know exactly what this purpose is? No problem. I'm no master, I'm simply here to learn.