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LucyTheApe
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Message 5 of 54 (450455)
01-21-2008 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by sidelined
01-21-2008 1:24 PM


The greatest force of all
OC: “These forces automatically balance out over time and indeed the moon has very nearly become tidally locked to the earth and this is why it shows only 59% of its surface over the course of its orbit since it is rotating on its axis in sync with its elliptical orbit around earth.”
That’s beautiful sidelined, almost as good as Jimmi Hendrix
>OC: ”The reason that gravity doesn't swallow what is in its proximity is because the gravitational force is balanced by the inertial straight line path that the planets would occupy without the mass of the sun that produces gravity. The orbits of the planets occur because of this balance between a planets tendency to continue in a straight line{hence Newton's first law of motion}. The balance is simply the outcome in the interaction of the forces present the net force resulting in the orbit of bodies around their parent star {or planet}.”
So harmonic, and simple, it’s like music.
>OC: ”Gravity is the weakest force of all.”
Come on sidelined, gravity is the greatest force of all.

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LucyTheApe
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Message 9 of 54 (450506)
01-22-2008 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Granny Magda
01-22-2008 12:43 AM


Re: The greatest force of all
Granny: Lucy, I am afraid that you are quite wrong.
Who says size counts Granny?
Gluons and Bosons have an effective range of about 1*10^-15 meters, about the diameter of a proton. Your gravitational attraction extends across the entire universe.
But the real point, that I didn't actually make, is this:
If sidelined wants to reduce the magnificence the effect gravity has on the universe, down to a couple of self-evident scientific statements, he should use dry scientific jargon with maybe a bit of Latin and/or ancient Greek thrown in. Poetry doesn't work.

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LucyTheApe
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Message 33 of 54 (452728)
01-31-2008 7:46 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by teen4christ
01-22-2008 2:17 PM


Re: The greatest force of all
quote:
LucyTheApe writes
quote:Gravity just seems to be the most powerful force, because it governs our everyday lives.
  —teen4christ
No I didn't.
quote:
....Now, don't mistake jargon for the real thing.
  —teen4Christ
teen, you've misread what I wrote. It was meant as advice. I never questioned sidelined's understanding.

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LucyTheApe
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Message 35 of 54 (452730)
01-31-2008 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by tesla
01-31-2008 7:44 AM


Re: The greatest force of all
tesla writes:
so my theory of the strong force is that it IS extremely powerful continuous striking that resonates through matter and comes out in a weaker form known as gravity.
But tesla, the strong force is one of the 4 fundamental forces of nature and is responsible for the theoretic particles 'gluons' that bind the subatomic particles together. Gravity on the otherhand is a force related to mass.
I don't understand what you mean by 'resonates through', resonance makes something vibrate at its natural frequency, which is another phenomenon altogether.
If you have found a unifying theory combining these three phenomena please let us in on it.
Edited by LucyTheApe, : singular

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LucyTheApe
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Message 37 of 54 (452732)
01-31-2008 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by tesla
01-31-2008 8:09 AM


Re: The greatest force of all
tesla writes:
so my theory of the strong force is that it IS extremely powerful continuous striking that resonates through matter and comes out in a weaker form known as gravity.
Haaaang on tesla, before you go on, explain what you mean by the above, specifically in relation to resonance.

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LucyTheApe
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Message 43 of 54 (452744)
01-31-2008 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by tesla
01-31-2008 8:28 AM


Re: The greatest force of all
quote:
outward forces are easy to rationalize. but no one has really been able to rationalize inward forces.
  —tesla
A force is a vector and has direction. By inward force do you mean, forces like gravity? In other words forces that gain potential when the distance increases.
quote:
if outward and kinetic forces travel through matter, then so also do inward and attractive forces.
  —tesla
Kinetic force? Do you mean kinetic energy which is the velocity gained by a mass due to its loss of potential or the effect of other forces.
quote:
resonate i use to describe how a force travels through matter.
  —tesla
Maybe use the word vibrate, that makes more sense, at least to me. Resonate has a very specific meaning in physics.
quote:
like magnetism, which is an inward force, but only specific to certain types of matter, travel through matter by alignment, and by aligning poles the attraction will align the poles of other matter next to it that has properties that can be aligned.
  —tesla
Magnetism and electricity are a combined and united force called electromagnetism. Some material maintain magnetic fields due to their electron or electric situation.
quote:
its a hard concept to explain, since I've never seen much research relative to the collective sharing of inward forces. especially one that is attracted to all matter.
  —tesla
Well think and explain hard tesla, I'm interested in your theory.
Edited by LucyTheApe, : clarity

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LucyTheApe
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Message 46 of 54 (452773)
01-31-2008 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by tesla
01-31-2008 9:28 AM


Re: The greatest force of all
I think I see what you mean.
Take for example Hawkings' theory of black holes, which has been disproven. If your theory is right and the strong force (or some other force) act at the atomic level to increase the density of matter then you would surely see an increase in gravity even to the point that light can't escape.
the problem: if a smaller object was to be tweaked to produce this attraction, the attraction to the earth by an orbiting starship would be the same for the starship orbiting earth, which means that the earth would be greatly affected by the ship.
That's not a problem. For example a handful of the sun would weigh about 1 1/2 times it's own weight on earth.
the other problem: if the strong force was to increase in atoms the atoms would loose structure and implode.
Why?
it explains why gravity is attraction by density, and not size. because a larger object can have less gravity than a smaller object that is more dense. the more dense object has more collective sharing of the strong force.
Gravity is related to mass. An object that's ten times as big as another object with the same mass, has the same gravitational attraction.
There does seem to be very dense spots in our galaxy.

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