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Author Topic:   The Significance of the Dover Decision
Jazzns
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Message 120 of 150 (452551)
01-30-2008 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Coyote
01-30-2008 4:36 PM


Re: ID research as it relates to Dover
They certainly did not ride to the rescue in the Dover case with peer-reviewed scientific research and credible expert witnesses.
Not only that, but they abandoned the Dover trial. Initially many big names from DI were involved.
The other thing that was interesting is that someone people like Behe remained. It suggests that the DI really isn't that monolithic in its influence among IDers. The did not have a concensus amongst the "big-wings" that Dover was not a good test of ID in court.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 132 of 150 (452783)
01-31-2008 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by randman
01-31-2008 10:30 AM


Re: ID research as it relates to Dover
Imo, this argument is disingenious. We all know within evo circles, the
idea of ID is highly charged and likely to set off a firestorm of persecution and protest among evos towards anyone daring to publish explicitly ID papers, though it seems that is happening nonetheless. I think what happened at the Smithsonian is ample evidence and example of such a witchhunt, and incidentally, the media and Congressional review came to the same conclusion. I realize you guys will disagree, but it's worth noting a lot of people that are not creationists or IDers agree it was a witchunt and wrong.
This exact logic was tried by the defense in the Dover trial to explain why there was no papers and it was soundly rejected.
Some others who have read the transcripts might need to help me with my memory but I even believe that the defense was rebuked when trying use the smithsonian issue as rhetoric.
You cannot say that Congressional review came to the conclusion that there was a witch hunt at the smithsonian when all of 2 congressmen were the ones responsible for the biased report. 2 who have direct ties to the ID/creo movement.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 135 of 150 (452792)
01-31-2008 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by randman
01-31-2008 10:41 AM


Re: ID research as it relates to Dover
Soundly rejected by a judge in District court....doesn't mean all that much and if you guys understood that District courts rule all the time contrary to one another, you'd realize that.
Actually IIRC, its because it was hearsay. The important thing is WHY it was considered hearsay. Exactly because there was NO Congressional ruling on the issue made it hearsay. Santorium was one congressman. He and his lacky hardly count as "Congressional review". Again, if you had read the transcripts you would know.
Are you ever going to answer the question as to why the Dover expert defense didn't drag out the many ID papers when they had the chance?

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 141 of 150 (452819)
01-31-2008 11:33 AM


Curious to hear from iano, ICANT, other creationists
Randman has already said that he hasn't read the transcripts so seemingly cannot discuss this with more than superficial depth.
Who else has read the transcripts and decision? Common people! This is the Scopes trial of our day!

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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