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Author Topic:   To Good to be True? Intelligently Designed?
Jon
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Message 1 of 49 (452859)
01-31-2008 2:27 PM


Has anyone ever noticed the level of perfection to which some of the Biblical stories have been structured? I was reading a book on the literature of the Bible when I came to an example of a story told in Genesis 31. I am not going to bother reading the whole thing (just yet), but I will give the paraphrase offered in this book:
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Genesis 31 tells the story of Jacob's escape from his long servitude to Laban, his father-in-law. As Jacob prepares to depart in secret with his wives and children and all his movable possessions, Rachel steals her fathers teraphim (housold idols) and, unbeknown to her husband, hides them in the baggage. When Jacob's caravan is overtaken along the way by Laban tend days later, Laban reproaches Jacob for leaving unannounced and acuses him of having stolen the idols as well. This Jacob denies, not knowing of Rachel's trick. The tents are searched. Coming finally to Rachel's tent, the two men are, in fact, close to discovering the truth, but Rachel has cleverly concealed the idols in a camel bag and is sitting on it. She apologies for not getting up, claiming that she is in her menstrual period; thus the camel bag is not searched, the idols are not found, and the two men part, with Jacob indignant at having been falsely accused.
Now, clearly this story has some heavy dramatic literary elements in it, and employs some clever literary formations to bring about the climax (where Rachel's tent is ready to be searched) as well as the problem (stealing of the teraphim) so much earlier in the story as it being what would bring the drama into focus later on.
So, my proposal is this: that, just like the works of William Shakespeare or Homer, the similar high-level form of the Biblical stories relates them to these other literary forms because they share the same complexity of structure (even if that structure is different). Furthermore, that just like these other forms, they must share the same level of non-literalness, i.e., are not entirely true.
Let me rephrase this in a way that I think Biblical Fundamentalists might better understand, the structures of the stories are too complex/structured to have arisen through the chance occurances that lead to the events in the life of real human beings, and can be better accounted for by understanding that these stories were intelligently designed by their authors.
So, how does the Creo/ID/Fundie react to the use of their old 'so-complex-it-was-designed' argument being applied to the stories they believe to be real and not made up designed?
Jon
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Gabel, Wheeler, et. al. The Bible as Literature, 31 (Oxford:2006).
Edited by Jon, : Semantic differences

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Jon
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Message 6 of 49 (453100)
02-01-2008 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Phat
02-01-2008 12:04 PM


Re: Literature need not be a matter of Faith
IMHO the books authors were inspired through prayer, searching, and communion with an unknown God.
So, from where did God get these stories?
Jon

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Jon
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Message 9 of 49 (453841)
02-04-2008 12:22 PM
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02-01-2008 12:15 PM


Re: Literature need not be a matter of Faith
God merely infused their literary urges with supernatural pixie dust!
Okay. From where did God get the information?

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Jon
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Message 10 of 49 (454078)
02-05-2008 1:59 PM
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02-01-2008 12:15 PM


Re: Literature need not be a matter of Faith
Care to post here what you put in chat? It would be in everyone's better interest to make these things as public as possible in order to increase the educational benefits that a forum such as EvC offers. Comming here and continuing to conduct all discussion in private defeats the purpose of even registering for an account.
Do you not agree?

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