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Biblical Creationism Requires Evolution

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Quetzal
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02-01-2008 9:21 AM 		Reply to: Message 11 by Crooked to what standard
01-31-2008 10:45 PM

I think this might be off-topic, so I'm going to be really brief.
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Notice that the cards are always the same in every sequence. There will always be one ace of spades, one five of diamonds, two black jacks, and four tens. No matter how many times you do this, the numbers will never change. The order in which the cards are in will change because of the shuffleing, but the numbers won't. This illistrates Natural Selection, which selects from existing genes. It will never create new ones.
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Except that this doesn't actually illustrate natural selection. Only if (to really stretch your faulty analogy past the breaking point), for example, "tens" had some kind of advantage over "nines", and more tens appeared after the next round of shuffling at the expense of nines (for instance), would this be an example of NS.
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If it makes you feel better, you're right that NS doesn't create new genes/alleles. That's the role of mutation - the piece that you left out of your analogy.
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Quetzal
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02-01-2008 1:37 PM 		Reply to: Message 13 by Crooked to what standard
02-01-2008 11:18 AM

First off, thank you for not insulting me along with providing a fault with my logic. I appreciate that.
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Sure. Anyway, why would I want to insult you right off the bat? This is our first exchange, so it would be a bit early for insults. Maybe later... Also, you haven't insulted me yet.
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Second, when has a mutation ever been beneficial to an organism. Last I checked, environmentalists continue to close nuclear plants (such as Trojan in Washington) because the mutations are hurting fish in the area, not creating better, more apt to survive fish. Also, over 50 years of fruit fly breeding expiraments, even with added effort to increase mutation rates, they've never been able to change the fruit fly to something other than a fruit fly. It has always stayed as a fruit fly.
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These are probably good questions (although you've actually muddled two different issues). Unfortunately, the detailed answers required would be waaaaay off topic for this particular thread. If you're interested in learning a bit about this, why not use this bit to propose a new thread to discuss it?
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