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Rahvin Member Posts: 4045 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Yes and according to the Big Bang Theory time came into existence at T=0 or T=0+, space, matter and everything that what you can see came from. No. As has been explained to you, T=0 is simply a point in time. The Big Bang does not say that anything at all came from nothing.
I build things. I have to have materials. They have to come from somewhere. Somebody has to manufacture the plywood, roofing materials, block, etc. These materials have to be made from something. That something has to come from somewhere. Trees, oil products, or materials in the ground. Your analogy has no basis in physics or Big Bang cosmology. There is not reason beyond your incredulity that the Universe needs an actual "beginning."
That material had to come from somewhere. I am told that it came from the singularity. OK where did the singularity come from? The singularity came from a point in space-time caused by the positive curvature of that space-time. Then I am told that space and time was created in the Big Bang. OK where did the Big Bang come from? The singularity. You were not told that space and time were created in the Big Bang. Go back and read what cavediver actually told you. The Singularity is a feature of the Universe at T=0, not the "cause" of anything. When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Rahvin writes: Why does it need to be "created?" Then it had to come from an absence of anything.
No, not necessarily. How many times do people have to tell you that you're wrong about something before you stop repeating it? Here is an alternate theory to the Big Bang. In this theory, the universe was not created and it did not come from nothing.
Here is the animation of the energence. So can you stop saying that those are the only two possibilities now? I'm guessing not since it will get in the way of you beliefs
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tesla Member (Idle past 1621 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
Like the question, Which came first the chicken or the egg? the true answer is the first chicken came with the first egg. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1621 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
same problem with this theory that is with the big bang.
there was still a before that. the dimensions came from..what? existed..how? inevitably, there is still T=0 keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
there was still a before that. the dimensions came from..what? existed..how? inevitably, there is still T=0
Not if they've existed forever.... The point is that our Universe could have came from somthing that was a non-universe and that it did have to come from the absence of anything.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Rahvin,
Rahvin writes: Why does it have to "come from" anything at all? Why does it need to be "created?" Either: It came from something. It was created. It always existed. Are there any other choices? Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi tesla,
tesla writes: the true answer is the first chicken came with the first egg. Correct answer you get an A+. Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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tesla Member (Idle past 1621 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
ok. so these dimensions existed singularly then.
because if one was before another then time is measured. since as long as two things are, time is relevant to the order by which was first. so this theory is, as your suggesting, a singular energy with multiple dimensions? order? chaos? intelligent? not intelligent? keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
If it has always been how can it end? It can't. It hasn't 'always' been. You're still not thinking in 4 dimensions. You have to avoid using temporal words, or at least understand how they don't work. The singularity is an integral part of a description of the universe in four dimensions.
What will cause the end? The end of what? There is just a 4d object. It might have boundaries which you could call 'ends'. The 'cause' of those boundaries is also the 'cause' for the geometry of the rest of spacetime.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4045 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
Either: It came from something. It was created. It always existed. Are there any other choices? The Universe exists at every point on the timeline, because time is a dimension of the Universe. There is no time at which the Universe did not exist. By definition, the Universe has always existed. When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Scientist,
Nice. Could you explain where the dark gray membrane on the left came from? If your answer is the 5th dimension then where did it come from? Thanks, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Rahvin,
Rahvin writes: The Universe exists at every point on the timeline, because time is a dimension of the Universe. There is no time at which the Universe did not exist. By definition, the Universe has always existed. If it has always existed and the Big Bang Theory is that it came into existence then the Big Bang Theory is False. Thanks for agreeing with:
Premise 1: Singularity including the Big Bang is the best explanation for the orgin of the universe. Falasified Message 91 Have fun now, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
If it has always existed and the Big Bang Theory is that it came into existence then the Big Bang Theory is False. Although it is vaguely amusing watching you make such proclamations from a position of near complete ignorance, please justify this statement. Why is the Big Bang false?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
and the Big Bang Theory is that it came into existence But its not.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Mod,
Modulous writes: It hasn't 'always' been. You're still not thinking in 4 dimensions. You have to avoid using temporal words, or at least understand how they don't work. Here you say, "it has not always been."
Message 116Modulous writes: No, I'm saying the big bang is not about spawning the universe. The big bang is just part of the universe just like any other part of the universe we might give a name. The universe doesn't 'come into existence' at the big bang. The universe exists - past, present and future as one four dimensional entity. Here you say:"The universe exists - past, present and future". That is saying the universe has always been unless you want to qualify your statement to include a beginning. I thought that is what the Big Bang Theory was to the static universe and gave the universe a beginning. Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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