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Author Topic:   What evidence is needed to change a creationist
asif
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Message 90 of 144 (453180)
02-01-2008 4:16 PM


hello everyone , I am new on this forum reading around for the last couple of days. I am no expert on either theory but just have one question for those that believe we were not always in this human form , a question that has always bugged me and no friend of mine has satisfied me with an answer.

If we indeed evolved from something else (apes, chimps , etc.) into what we are today and the process took millions of years where is the chain of species between the two extremes (us as humans today and the chimp, ape at the other end)

The answer most of my friends have given me is that everything that branched off from that chain of link died off , but I tell them that seems all to convenient that every single thing died off and not even one line between existed

If someone can please answer me that question.

I do believe our bodies evolve from generation to generation depending on the environment around us but I believe we still remain humans with different bodies and the same applies for animals etc.

For the sake of complete honesty I am a Muslim that believes in God and understand that not everything in the Koran needs to be taken word for

this is an honest question and not an attempt to say this is right or that is wrong , it is something that always bugs me.


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asif
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Message 92 of 144 (453286)
02-01-2008 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by nator
02-01-2008 6:48 PM


"Why? That sort of thing happens all the time."

but docent it seem to convenient to say anything that didn't evolve enough to be humans just died. someone somewhere has to survive. If Monkeys can survive , wouldn't 50% evolved humans survive ?

What surprises me is the theory that is so rich in data and evidence can say that they just died

and to say it happens all the time , I mean how do we know for a Scientefic fact that it happened. I mean its just that it seems theory makes so many assumptions that to me have not been proven as facts.

how do we know that "it happens all the time" can you please point me to scientific proof , I would love to learn and read more

and how do we know for a fact everything that branched off "Died"

once again these are honest questions I struggle with

so
1. how do we know it happens all the time (study , facts, proof ?)
2. how do we know about the not 100% evolved humans going extinct ?

Edited by asif, : No reason given.


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asif
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Message 94 of 144 (453315)
02-01-2008 8:08 PM
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02-01-2008 7:52 PM


no not everyone that believed in ToE is liars and biggots.

Its a theory that people believe in and some don't. My only complain is still you have not pointed me to a scientific study of your answers which I would like to read.

I dont believe in creationism as described in the bible , but I am not convinced by evolution. Why is it that we have to take one of the two as facts ?

Isnt it just possible that 100 years from now the ToE is proven to be incorrect by some other theory.

My point being so far I have no read any literature that is convinced me that ToE is a False proof 100% correct theory.

You see your answers are not convincing me

you are telling me its fact and thats it. How do we even know that 17,000 species of Trilobite existed. Once again can you provide me the link of the study that showed that so i can read it that all of them went extinct and how ?

I am here to learn not to create a fight , I really appreciate you answering these questions but its just that the answers are no based on false proof facts and are unconvincing right now.

Thanks


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asif
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Message 97 of 144 (453334)
02-01-2008 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by nator
02-01-2008 8:31 PM


thanks for your response , and to let you know yes i am reading stuff on wikipedia right now

I am not pulling your leg , I am asking honest questions I have. I will read all the links you have provided (will take 2-3 days to go thru all that and get back to you)

once again
thanks

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asif
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Message 99 of 144 (453945)
02-04-2008 8:20 PM
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02-04-2008 7:10 PM


Re: bump for asif
no , I am not , there is a lot of stuff there to read, and the reply I post I want it to be intelligent so I can clearly lay out all the questions I have.

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asif
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Message 104 of 144 (455597)
02-12-2008 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by bluescat48
02-12-2008 10:27 PM


I am sorry I have work to do as well. It took me all this time just to read about Trilobites and am still reading more about it , there is a lot of info. I am sorry if I sound as hit and run but I cant dedicate more then 30 mins - 45 mins to read and with that much time it takes a long while to read.

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