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Shield
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Message 7 of 17 (453456)
02-02-2008 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by molbiogirl
02-01-2008 11:39 PM


1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external threat.
I'll agree that this is happening
2. Create a secret prison system where torture takes place that is outside the rule of law.
The CIA's black prisons has not been for U.S citizens but only for "terroists" capturede abroad. Further more, these prisons are not located within the USA.
3. Create a paramilitary force.
What paramilitary forces do the US have within its own borders?
4. Create a surveillance apparatus aimed at ordinary citizens.
Well this is happening. In the US as well as europe and many other countries.
5. Target key individuals for punishment as a result of this surveillance.
I cant find any instance of this happening. But ofcourse... they would cover it up.
6. Arbitrarily detain and release citizens.
Again, i cant find any instance of this happening
7. Restrict the press.
I cant say to what degree the press is actually beeing restricted.
They do plant stories in the news though. See 1.
8. Re-cast criticism as treason.
Somewhat happening
9. Subvert the rule of law.
Hasent happened (yet)
Though it may seem that the US does fulfill a couple of points on the list, i dont think the USA heading towards true facism any time soon.
The same is true of Italy (pre-Mussolini), Russia (pre-Stalin), Czechlovakia (pre-Ceausescu), Chile (pre-Pinochet).
In all these instances, there actually was secret police heading down citizens of the country, there was 'real' propaganda and so forth.
What im trying to say is that the 9 points were practiced to the extreme, and that really isent happening in the US.
They do alot of sh*t though.
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Shield
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Message 10 of 17 (453519)
02-02-2008 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by molbiogirl
02-02-2008 3:21 PM


Two words. Jose Padilla.
I dont think thats enough to conclude that the CIA prison are for US citizens.. Just the fact that he traveled through the middle east and was captured on his way back to the US makes a huge difference.. No, it dosent make him guilty of anything, but it makes the case for this not beeing some random capture for political reasons.
Two words. Hurricane Katrina.
Blackwater was immediately dispatched to New Orleans.
One of GWB's signing statements says that he and he alone has the authority to dispatch the paramilitary (Blackwater, Sovereign Deed, etc.) in cases of "national emergency". And guess who gets to decide what constitutes a "national emergency"?
I would like to see a source on the GWB quote. Just for context and so forth.
About blackwater and paramilitary forces, i guess ill have to give you that one.
Except maybe we could call them mercenaries, but that wouldn't really make any difference.
Naomi Wolf is on the terrorist watch list. (Her boarding pass is always marked "SSSS" aka high terrorist risk.) Now why would that be?
And who knows who else.
I would like to see a proper source on that.
Also, what onsequence it actually has for the people with marked passports.
I posted an anti-Bush article (from the New Yorker) on a local bulletin board back in 2003.
The next day the FBI showed up at my house. I was interrogated for nearly an hour until I demanded that they leave.
Do tell the story.
Journalists have been detained in Iraq.
[qs] Journalists are being targeted.
/qs
Journalists are being threatened.
Some of those stories are some heavy stuff, but the press is NOT beeing regulated like it was the case with Hitler, Mussolini, Kim Jon Il and those other real tyrant regimes.
Wrong.
Wrong that it happened in the instances you mentioned? Or wrong that it does happen in the US?
I havent really been able to find much information on this Secret Police. Please post links if you have.
Can you mention anything performed by this secret police?
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