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Trixie
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Message 151 of 302 (453800)
02-04-2008 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Hill Billy
02-04-2008 8:28 AM


Re: Scientific thinkin eh?
If you were to say "most" scientists, we would be in complete agreement
There may be a few scientists out here who don't hold conclusions tentatively, but they are in a minority and if they are not going to alter their views as new evidence comes to light, they are going to make very little contribution to the ongoing work of science.
Um, isn't it people who draw conclusions? See,here's what I'm wonderin,can science really draw a conclusion if it is a kind of conclusion itself ? ( The conclusion that all conclusions may be false.)
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. Yes, people draw conclusions, but in science the conclusions and the evidence which led to them are presented to the scientific community for the scientific community to validate them. I see no problem in saying that all conclusions may be false, but I don't see that as a conclusion, I see it as a manifestation of the nature of scientific enquiry. We can only draw conclusions based on the evidence we have, but we accept that there may be more evidence out there, still to be uncovered, which will go against the conclusions. In other words science, right up front, says "We don't know everything, so we have to use what we do have and keep adding to it as we go along." I don't see that this in any way diminishes science - it makes it stronger and self-correcting. If this doesn't answer your point, can you please clarify what you're asking and I'll try again.
So, are you saying that some conclusions are in fact true? If they go through this rigorous process, that is?
No, I'm saying that even if they go through this rigorous process, they're still held as tentative, falsifiable and possibly wrong, but they represent the best explanation for the available evidence.
Some scientific conclusions are so well supported by evidence and have no contradictory evidence that they are held as pretty much fact, but there always remains the possibility that they are wrong.
I think if you were insulted by this remark,then you must place yourself among those who do not think scientifically. Is this correct? I mean thinking about science is not the same as scientifically thinkin.
No, it is not correct. I place myself nowhere, I expect others to place me based on what I say, i.e., I expect them to draw their own tentative conclusions, based on the evidence they have. I would like to think that I am capable of thinking scientifically and so far, I do have evidence to suggest to me that this is the case. It's all to do with actually being a scientist. If I didn't think in that way, my papers wouldn't have been published. However, if evidence were to arise that my thinking on a scientific matter had not been scientific I would do two things
1. I would not place any value on the conclusions I had previously held
2. I would learn from this and try to change my way of thinking when it came to science.
In other words I don't even accept my conclusions as fact when it comes to science - I'm saying that I might be wrong. I don't see how this constitutes superiority. In fact I think it may just about constitute the exact opposite.
Oh, and yet again, quit with the snidey comments. They don't add anything and just serve to tangle the lines of communication.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 152 of 302 (453802)
02-04-2008 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Hill Billy
02-03-2008 9:42 AM


Re: Hey, that's not bad!
Ka Ching!
We have a winner!
Someone finally told you what you want to hear? You must be thrilled.
But does it not take the lustre off the prize, when you reflect that as Heinrik is not capable of telepathy, his fantasies about what's going on other people's heads is, y'know, stuff he's made up?
Well, it's interesting to see what sort of testimony you find trustworthy.

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bluegenes
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Message 153 of 302 (453808)
02-04-2008 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by pelican
02-03-2008 2:06 AM


Heinrik writes:
Seriously, taking it as true that : evolutionists believe themselves more valuable and taking it that the value is placed on levels of education, in turn showing levels of intelligence, then I would say the answer is : because they don't actually feel valuable as human beings alone. They need a label that lifts them high enough to look down on someone else to make them feel better about themselves.
Why don't they just become Christian creationists, then? They can believe that they are in an elite minority who'll go to heaven while most of humanity burns in hell, so it's the ultimate label of superiority. And it can be done easily, by a simple act of faith. They wouldn't have to bother finding out anything about the world about then.
Edited by bluegenes, : typo

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Larni
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Message 154 of 302 (453815)
02-04-2008 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by pelican
02-03-2008 11:04 PM


Re: No garbage here.
Heinrik writes:
I also am experiencing being on the other end of the stick in the "e=mc^2 thread. A self acknowledged uneducated (in this field) willing to learn regular Joe.
That's just not true. You came onto that thread guns blazing claiming that you were going to clear up a misconception that only you had.
The superior attitude was yours, sir.

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AdminNosy
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Message 155 of 302 (453834)
02-04-2008 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Hill Billy
02-03-2008 12:47 PM


Re: Two days for Hill Billy unless...
Not even an attempt at it using your own definition of meaningful.
Come back in two days.

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pelican
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Message 156 of 302 (453912)
02-04-2008 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by bluegenes
02-04-2008 9:38 AM


Why don't they just become Christian creationists, then?
It doesn't give enough credence to their brilliant minds. But like you say, it would be a lot easier.

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pelican
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Message 157 of 302 (453914)
02-04-2008 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Larni
02-04-2008 10:20 AM


Re: No garbage here.
You know, Larni, I had a much bigger misconception of you. I've followed many of your posts since I 'ran' into you and Dameeva scrappin. You and I had a tussle then too.
My perception of you was that you were an immature, feisty young woman. Your name also suggests female to me. Can you believe that? You could have knocked me over with a feather when I read you in "what do you do' thread. You are a growd up bloke, aren't you?
I needn't have told you this and you would not be any the wiser. The reason I am pointing this out is that 'many similar instances of perceptions of me' are as way out as mine was of you.
Can you be honest and give me your perception of me? I'll bet you are way out. For example............
guns blazing
Chuckle chuckle. Look at your photo. I wonder where you got that idea. Ironic, isn't it? No offense intended

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Larni
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Message 158 of 302 (453931)
02-04-2008 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by pelican
02-04-2008 6:00 PM


Re: No garbage here.
Heinrik writes:
My perception of you was that you were an immature, feisty young woman. Your name also suggests female to me.
lol! No offense taken
I predict that you are a woman from colorado. You like staying inside when it's too cold but enjoy hiking. You prefer dogs to cats.

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pelican
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Message 159 of 302 (453934)
02-04-2008 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Larni
02-04-2008 7:33 PM


Re: No garbage here.
What makes you perceive me as female?
Have you any perceptions about my character? E.G like this.........
The superior attitude was yours, sir.
Edited by Heinrik, : example

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pelican
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Message 160 of 302 (453978)
02-05-2008 1:02 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Dr Adequate
02-04-2008 9:15 AM


Re: Hey, that's not bad!
Someone finally told you what you want to hear? You must be thrilled.
But does it not take the lustre off the prize, when you reflect that as Heinrik is not capable of telepathy, his fantasies about what's going on other people's heads is, y'know, stuff he's made up?
Which stuff have I made up?

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pelican
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Message 161 of 302 (453980)
02-05-2008 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Dr Adequate
02-04-2008 9:15 AM


Re: Hey, that's not bad!
Someone finally told you what you want to hear? You must be thrilled.
But does it not take the lustre off the prize, when you reflect that as Heinrik is not capable of telepathy, his fantasies about what's going on other people's heads is, y'know, stuff he's made up?
Which stuff have I made up?
Edited by Heinrik, : twice is good

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pelican
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Message 162 of 302 (453982)
02-05-2008 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by AdminNosy
02-04-2008 11:35 AM


Re: Two days for Hill Billy unless...
Not even an attempt at it using your own definition of meaningful.
Dictionary: meaningful(m'nng-fl)
adj.
Having meaning, function, or purpose.
Fraught with meaning; significant: A meaningful glance.
as opposed to NOT meaningful...............
Message 14 of 161
01-30-2008 03:48 AM Reply to: Message 1 by Hill Billy
01-29-2008 01:41 PM
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jibbery jobbery joop.

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pelican
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Message 163 of 302 (453985)
02-05-2008 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Cold Foreign Object
01-30-2008 11:13 PM


Re: Bid To Save Topic
hill Billy. post 1. writes:
Evolutionists feel superior.
Hill Billy presented plenty of evidence to support this statement.
The debate is about evolutionists feeling superior, as opposed to being superior. A subtle difference you must have missed.
Evolutionary superiority is the chosen title of this topic and I interpret this to mean that evolutionists really believe their theory to be superior over Creationism. Well, let's look at the facts and see:
Hope this may save the original topic. regards

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pelican
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Message 164 of 302 (453986)
02-05-2008 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by RAZD
01-29-2008 1:12 PM


Re: ironic aint it
What was the word again, Razd? I must have missed it.
Ironic. The whole end of one thread was taken up by you and hill billy protesting some apparent superiority, and now hill billy has started a thread on it.
Ironic that, me missing the word, missing the thread and missing your post. Which was that thread again? The one where we took up the whole end of it?

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Larni
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Message 165 of 302 (453991)
02-05-2008 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by pelican
02-04-2008 7:37 PM


Re: No garbage here.
Heinrik writes:
What makes you perceive me as female?
Just a hunch, lol.
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

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