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Author Topic:   20 years of the Creation/ID science curriculum
reiverix
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Message 151 of 305 (454540)
02-07-2008 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Cold Foreign Object
02-07-2008 2:49 PM


sheesh
It is a fact that pro-evolution judges have banned a scientific theory that half of all adults in the U.S. accept as true.
Who are these judges?
Comment presupposes false premises. That God is not proven by Science and that Darwinism is responsible for scientific advance.
Now don't go misquoting me. I asked for past inventions/discoveries that were made by inspiration of god. Forget about Darwinism for a minute if that's possible. Just show me these great god given achievements. Either put up or shut up.

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FliesOnly
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Message 152 of 305 (454546)
02-07-2008 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Cold Foreign Object
02-06-2008 7:35 PM


CFO writes:
Funny how the Constitution suddenly said Creationism was unconstitutional after judges, who are Darwinists, came to power.
Well, it's nice to know you're both delusional and paranoid
CFO writes:
We already know that Atheists think Creationism-Design is not science, what is your point?
The point would be that even non-atheists know that Creationism-Design is not science. You don't need to lack faith to know this...you just have to have the ability to think beyond the age of a third grader.
CFO writes:
When the corruption of the Constitution is reversed, science will be restored to the classroom one appoitment at a time.
In what way has our Constitution been corrupted? I asked you this same question a few posts back and you basically ignored it. Maybe this time you'll provide an answer, yes?
And what the hell does "science will be restored to the classroom one appoitment at a time"mean?
CFO writes:
You need not be so paranoid, we are only trying to restore a scientific theory that over half of all adults in America accept as true.
And what scientific theory is that? Creationism and I.D. are not science and have yet to produce even so much as a testable hypothesis, let alone a theory. Do you even know what a theory is, CFO? I think not. How can you have a theory when you have conducted absolutely no scientific investigations? You really need to consider pulling your head out of your ass and maybe read up a little on the scientific method and what it means to be a science.

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Message 153 of 305 (454548)
02-07-2008 4:02 PM


What's The Point?
Earlier in this thread, EvC member Trixie, a Theistic-evolutionist, felt compelled to surf the Internet looking for anything that could be used against me - a Creationist, Ray Martinez.
Why?
Apparently my views in this thread have enraged her therefore she is out to get some type of revenge due to the inability to address or refute anything I argued.
What did Trixie come up with?
A web page that shows Fundamentalist Christians and a Theistic evolutionist in sharp disagreement with me. The point is that Trixie posted evidence that Fundamentalists and TEists reject me. These same persons, of course, agree with Atheist evolutionists over microevolution. Again, I am glad that Trixie has uncovered evidence that Fundies, TEists and Atheists reject me.
But Trixie thinks the same somehow hurts me. She must also think that disagreement does not exist within her ranks.
Read the bitter and embarrassing feud between two famous Atheist evolutionists here and tell me again what is Trixie's point other than being an angry evolutionist who cannot refute?
http://members.tripod.com/~SundeepDougal/dengld.html
Ray
1st edit: why didn't Trixie post this link explaining that I am banned at Conservapedia (= Fundamentalist central)?
how-the-l-a-times-outsmarted-conservapedia-and-andy-schlafly-second-edition
2nd edit: why couldn't Trixie find any Creationist here that disagrees with me?
3rd edit: spelling
4th edit: correct Trixie's status to a TEist from Atheist evolutionist
5th edit: Admin already fixed the link so there is no edit. I should have noticed before I clicked the "edit" option.
Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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Edited by Admin, : Fix long link.
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FliesOnly
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Message 154 of 305 (454550)
02-07-2008 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Cold Foreign Object
02-07-2008 2:49 PM


CFO writes:
It is a fact that pro-evolution judges have banned a scientific theory that half of all adults in the U.S. accept as true.
It is absolutely NOT a fact and you know it. No judge (pro-evolution or otherwise) has banned any scientific theory. Well maybe way back at the Scopes trial a scientific theory was banned...but that is no longer the case now. You don't have a scientific theory CFO. You've never had a scientific theory CFO. What you have is a bunch of religious nonsense that you WANT taught as a science. You're just pissed that Judges are not a stupid as you wish them to be, and therefore know that Creationism and I.D. are one in the same...namely, religious concepts that cannot be taught in our public schools.
CFO writes:
The experts like Castro, Pol Pot, Tse-Tung, Stalin and Hussein agree: censorship works: the Bible has been banned by Darwinian Judges on the Supreme and Federal court system. They have adjudicated their bias into the Constitution written by Deists, Theists and Christians in the 18th century. Again, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, North Korea and China, like the Supreme Court, have all banned the Bible. What do these facts tell an objective person?
Proof of the existence of the superhuman personage of Satan.
Seriously dude...you need to get some help...you're disturbingly delusional. I'm beginning to fear for the safety of anyone anywhere near you.

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Trixie
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Message 155 of 305 (454551)
02-07-2008 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Cold Foreign Object
02-07-2008 1:56 PM


Re: Paging a creationist moderator...
Just for the record, when you say
Thirdly, the fact remains; you - an Atheist evolutionist are aligned with Fundamentalist Christians and Theistic evolutionists - I am not. I am glad to be rejected by Atheist evolutionists and Fundamentalist Christianity, and I am glad you have presented this evidence.
I would just like to point out that you were wrong the first time you said I was an atheist, you were wrong the second time, you were wrong the third time....you were wrong the 20th time......and you're wrong this time. I am a Christian, although I fully expect you to tell me I'm not....again.
Heaven is going to be very empty if you're right - just you and Gene Scott. I myself prefer to let God be the judge of that.

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Message 156 of 305 (454555)
02-07-2008 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by FliesOnly
02-07-2008 4:11 PM


Ray originally writes:
The experts like Castro, Pol Pot, Tse-Tung, Stalin and Hussein agree: censorship works: the Bible has been banned by Darwinian Judges on the Supreme and Federal court system. They have adjudicated their bias into the Constitution written by Deists, Theists and Christians in the 18th century. Again, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, North Korea and China, like the Supreme Court, have all banned the Bible. What do these facts tell an objective person?
Proof of the existence of the superhuman personage of Satan.
FliesOnly in response writes:
Seriously dude...you need to get some help...you're disturbingly delusional. I'm beginning to fear for the safety of anyone anywhere near you.
Something a person who cannot refute would say.
Ray

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Message 157 of 305 (454557)
02-07-2008 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Trixie
02-07-2008 4:11 PM


Re: Paging a creationist moderator...
I would just like to point out that you were wrong the first time you said I was an atheist, you were wrong the second time, you were wrong the third time....you were wrong the 20th time......and you're wrong this time. I am a Christian, although I fully expect you to tell me I'm not....again.
You CLAIM to be a Christian. I forgot this and assumed you were an Atheist based on the fact that you argue against the Bible (like any Atheist) and agree with Richard Dawkins concerning the origin of living things. These two facts logically refute your claim of being a Christian.
Ray

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Trixie
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Message 158 of 305 (454558)
02-07-2008 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Cold Foreign Object
02-07-2008 4:29 PM


Re: Paging a creationist moderator...
No, Ray, I don't argue against the Bible, I argue against you and the last time I checked, YOU were NOT the Bible. And before you acuse me of arguing against God, the last time I checked, you weren't God either.
As I said, Heaven is going to be mighty empty if you're right. I wonder if Jesus would actually get in under your rules?

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FliesOnly
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Message 159 of 305 (454559)
02-07-2008 4:36 PM
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02-07-2008 4:21 PM


CFO writes:
Something a person who cannot refute would say.
You're correct...I am a person who cannot refute that you are apparently friggen nuts.

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Message 160 of 305 (454560)
02-07-2008 4:38 PM
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02-07-2008 4:21 PM


quote:
Something a person who cannot refute would say.
Ray
You want refutation?
I refuted your contention on microevolution, and threw in macroevolution too boot back in Post #148 but you have ignored it.
How are you going to come up with a curriculum if you can't debate science? Or will your proposed curriculum be limited to preaching?

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Message 161 of 305 (454562)
02-07-2008 4:41 PM


Moderator Comment
It's okay if this thread continues on in its current way, but participants may want to ask themselves if this is the level of discourse they want to be a part of. It might be prudent to wait until something worth responding to is posted.

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Message 162 of 305 (454563)
02-07-2008 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by LinearAq
02-07-2008 2:43 PM


Re: Paging a creationist moderator...
Amazingly, they both believe that the TOE is the best explanation for the diversity of life on Earth. They believe it was directed by an intelligent designer but it occurred just the same.
Neither Dembski or Behe accept ToE.
But anyone could show major contradictions written by Behe.
Dembski is a famous antievolutionist. You are ignorant to say the least.
Since you say they are the most correct based on the inane logic that they are opposed by "evolutionists" the most, does this mean that you buy into evolution, speciation and the like? OR Do you think your statements, that macro and micro evolution don't occur, are wrong?
This commentary is nonsensical; therefore I have nothing to say.
Ray

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Message 163 of 305 (454567)
02-07-2008 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Coyote
02-07-2008 2:35 PM


Re: Denying microevolution
You have shown by these posts that you are the exact opposite of a scientist.
I never claimed to be a scientist or a degree in science. But neither did Professor of Eugenics Ronald Fisher. He had no degree in biology or mathematics, and no degree higher than a four year degree; and yet Richard Dawkins has called him the most important figure in science since Darwin. Besides being a racist, Fisher wrote the book titled "The Genetical Theory Of Natural Selection".
Why should anyone trust anything you have to say on the subject of science? Might as well ask the mice for their opinions on cats.
The evidence.
By the way, microevolution, which apparently everyone else in the world but you accepts because of the evidence, can be readily seen.
False.
Microevolution is an inference. It is too slow to actually be seen. That is why microevolution is inferred to have occurred after the alleged fact.
Of course microevolution is false. Animals have no power to change themselves and neither does inanimate matter. Microevolution is an assertion based on rejection of Genesis. The scientific fact of IC refutes the inference of microevolution and explains why the same IS NOT seen in the geological crust of the Earth.
Google "ring species" and see what science has found.
This is clear evidence not only of microevolution, but also of macroevolution (speciation).
Deny the evidence for microevolution all you want, but its right there in front of your face. Just like a lot of the other evidence for the theory of evolution and the rest of science.
Again, evolution is inferred. We reject the inference based on the breathtaking observation of design seen in nature and organisms. The same logically corresponds to invisible Designer. Integrate the fact of IC and the inference is refuted. The same phenomena ("ring species") also has no plausible mechanism to accomplish the evolutionary change, and is better explained to be the work of special creation.
Ray

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Message 164 of 305 (454569)
02-07-2008 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by FliesOnly
02-07-2008 3:58 PM


In what way has our Constitution been corrupted? I asked you this same question a few posts back and you basically ignored it. Maybe this time you'll provide an answer, yes?
Federal Judges, who are evolutionists, have made the Constitution say that Creationism cannot be taught to school children. Of course the Constitution says no such thing since it was written by Theists and Deists in the 18th century.
Creationism is a scientific theory accepted by over half of all adults in the U.S. We will reverse the corruption of the Constitution; and Creationism will allowed to be taught by any school district.
And what the hell does "science will be restored to the classroom one appointment at a time" mean?
It means after the corruption of saying Creationism is unconstitutional is reversed, elected officials can appoint persons who will implement Creationism into the science curriculum of public schools. Officials who prevent will be fired for denying the Constitutional rights of persons to learn about Creationism.
Ray

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Message 165 of 305 (454571)
02-07-2008 5:30 PM


Pointless Rants
I guess we can all imagine the future Ray is praying for. I am glad that he does not represent those that are trying to get their ID/Creationist agenda into the public classrooms. The only way Ray's vision could succeed is if we all went insane and stupid at the same time.
I am still puzzled about what it is that the IDists want to be added to the curriculum. Do they really expect science teachers to say, "Everything we just taught you about biology is a lie and biology is just too complicated understand."?
As far as Ray goes, I think it is pointless to respond further to him. Nothing he says makes any rational sense or adds to the discussion.

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