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Message 375 of 405 (454979)
02-09-2008 4:02 PM

Reply to: Message 372 by Modulous
02-09-2008 3:40 PM

Re-Universe at T=O

Hi Mod,

Modulous writes:

There maybe a universe as we know it at those coords.

I doubt that if Son is correct with his temperature at the earliest point we can measure the universe.

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Son Goku writes:

At the earliest point we can measure the universe is already at 1,160,400,000,000,000 degrees. (roughly) (1 quintillion degrees)

That is some kind of hot.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 377 of 405 (454983)
02-09-2008 4:29 PM

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02-09-2008 4:12 PM

Re-Universe at T=O

Hi Mod,

Modulous writes:

I'm not sure what this has to do with what I said, sorry.

You said:

Modulous writes:

There maybe a universe as we know it at those coords.

"as we know it" If you had said I that would have made a difference.

We know the universe as we see it by looking out the window, up at the sky or through a telescope. I am just guessing.

ABE maybe I should have said I also.

I don't think I would recognize it at 1 quintillion degrees.

I am sorry if I confused you.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 382 of 405 (455013)
02-09-2008 6:43 PM

Reply to: Message 379 by Modulous
02-09-2008 4:52 PM

Re: Big Bang.

Hi Mod,

Modulous writes:

Follow a fly in your room. At any time you can describe the location of that fly with respect to its distance from the ground (height), its distance from the wall on your left (width) and the distance from the wall opposite (length).

He moves too fast for me to get all those mesurements.

The only thing the time element can tell you is when he was at a particular point in the room.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 391 of 405 (455034)
02-09-2008 9:16 PM

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02-09-2008 7:58 PM

Re: Big Bang.

Hi Mod,

Modulous writes:

I see no reason that it has to be timeless just because you are talking about one end of time. That's like saying that the North Pole is directionless. Of course it isn't. It's just that every direction from there is South.

I don't think timeless is dealing with one end of time. In fact you used it in referring to the universe. You said past, present, and future. Time has no effect on something that is timeless.

So no it is not like saying that the North Pole is direction less.
As you pointed out by saying every direction from there is south.

Mod since you did not qualify what your reference was that told you the direction of south, such as a magnetic compass, you are only half right.

Mod I think you could stand on the North Pole, when frozen with 13,410 feet of ice and water under your feet. You could scan the horizon and probably see in a million different directions other than south.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 394 of 405 (455044)
02-09-2008 10:05 PM

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02-09-2008 9:33 PM

Re: Big Bang.

Hi Mod,

Modulous writes:

There exists only one direction to travel in time at T=0

I know that is what the standard theory says.

I do not believe that.

I do believe that T=O is the beginning of time as you and I know time to exist.

I believe it will cease to exist in the future in fervent heat just like it arrived.

Modulous writes:

Then I wouldn't be at the definition of the North Pole we are working from. I am referring to the most Northern Point. There has to be one, however you want to determine where it is. At that point, there is nothing north of you - only things south of you.

You did not reference what was north of the North Pole.

You just said every direction from the North Pole was South.

That was not a true statement no matter how you try to dress it up.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 399 of 405 (455053)
02-09-2008 11:29 PM

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02-09-2008 10:29 PM

Re: Big Bang.

Hi Mod,

Modulous writes:

ICANT writes:

You just said every direction from the North Pole was South.

Because that is true.

That is false.

Direction - Wikipedia

Relative direction, for instance left, right, forward, backward, up, and down

Lets see now If I was standing at my house facing North =forward, left=west, right=east, backward=south, down=below my feet, and up=above my head.

If I was standing on the North Pole I could only point south, down, and up.

You did not say what is north of the north pole.

You said if you were standing on the north pole there was only one direction and that was south.

There is also the direction of UP and DOWN

If you insist on using that rubish be specific in what you are saying.

Omega, or 30 whichever you prefer.

Modulous writes:

So you agree that it doesn't have to be timeless? You just believe that it is.

Why does anything have to be true because I believe it.

What is, is makes no difference what I think or believe it still is.

If the universe is eternal it is whether I believe it or not.

If the Big Bang Theory is correct, it is whether I believe it or not.

If there is a God, he is, whether I believe it or not.

Just because somebody or everybody believes something does not make it so.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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