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nator
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Message 46 of 106 (455075)
02-10-2008 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by johnfolton
02-10-2008 1:21 AM


Re: The Purpose of a Woman !!!!!!!
quote:
I see it more that its shameful for the woman to wear the pants kind of the problem with Hiliary Clinton.
That is the statement of a little boy, not a real man.
Real men do not fear women, and real men treat women as adult people, not as inferiors or children.
Obviously, we want the smartest, most capable people in positions of responsibility, and last time I checked, having a penis didn't necessarily make a person smart.
quote:
Likely there are some cocky liberal women that will read this so just remember this link is from a woman not a man but a woman talking to women.
How do you know it isn't written by a man pretending to be a woman?
But anyway, so what if it was written by a woman? People have bought into their own oppression if they are raised to believe that this is the "natural" way. After all, people who not only submit to their oppression but actively participate in perpetuating it are likely to be praised within that oppressive system. We saw it in Europe with the monarchies. We see it today in India with their caste system.
The royals in power believed that God gave them the right to rule simply by virtue of their lineage, and the common people believed it too.
Do you believe that some people are better and have more rights to rule over others just becasue they are born into certain families?
Ir, is it just certain sexual organs that make one better and have more rights?
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Taz
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Message 47 of 106 (455090)
02-10-2008 10:07 AM


If in 3 days time I don't see any christian reacting or responding to johnfolton's sexist view, I'm going to take your silence as agreeing his view.
Peace.

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GDR
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Message 48 of 106 (455151)
02-10-2008 10:19 PM
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02-10-2008 10:07 AM


Taz writes:
If in 3 days time I don't see any christian reacting or responding to johnfolton's sexist view, I'm going to take your silence as agreeing his view.
I was going to agree with him until my wife informed that I didn't.

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Message 49 of 106 (455154)
02-10-2008 10:43 PM
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02-10-2008 10:19 PM


Remember our conversation about christians rarely ever speak up against crackpot christians as if they all agree with them? Silence is another way of approving or agreeing. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. And christians seem to be the ultimate pacifists when it comes to their brother christians speaking or doing evil.

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GDR
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Message 50 of 106 (455164)
02-11-2008 12:00 AM
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02-10-2008 10:43 PM


If you go back to post 19 in this thread you'll see that I already have responded with my views on this. I might point out though that there are men in all societies whether secular or religious to dominate women. I'm not sure why it is necessary to only point out the badly misinformed Christians.

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Message 51 of 106 (455166)
02-11-2008 12:56 AM
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02-11-2008 12:00 AM


GDR writes:
I'm not sure why it is necessary to only point out the badly misinformed Christians.
Because there are 2 main groups of people on these boards: atheists and christians. Everytime an atheist says something wacky, he is piled on by a dozen or so other atheists. The same cannot be said about the christian side. It seems like christians welcome wacky comments from other christians with their silence.

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GDR
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Message 52 of 106 (455167)
02-11-2008 1:42 AM
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02-11-2008 12:56 AM


Certainly the Atheists on this forum are quick to criticize wacky scientific ideas but I'm not sure how one Atheist criticizes the theology of another Atheist. I thought you guys didn't have any theology.
Certainly I disagree with that post, but as I have already posted what I believe I'm not sure what you want me to do. I'm not into name calling or labelling. I think he is very wrong, which is obvious from what I posted earlier.

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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Taz
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Message 53 of 106 (455183)
02-11-2008 10:00 AM
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02-11-2008 1:42 AM


GDR writes:
Certainly the Atheists on this forum are quick to criticize wacky scientific ideas but I'm not sure how one Atheist criticizes the theology of another Atheist. I thought you guys didn't have any theology.
We criticize your theology because if we don't our children will be living under a christian theocracy.
Certainly I disagree with that post, but as I have already posted what I believe I'm not sure what you want me to do. I'm not into name calling or labelling. I think he is very wrong, which is obvious from what I posted earlier.
This is a rare indeed occasion that you've decided to bless us with your opinion that is not so mainstream christian. Your one opinion, however, doesn't count much considering the fact that you are one christian who have decided to comment while the general trend seems to indicate exactly what I said earlier, that christians welcome wacky comments from other christians by their silence. You should visit the various christian forums out there. I've spent some time looking through them in the past. Wacky christians there are allowed to post sexist and homophobic views without any challenge from other christians for pages and pages. This forum, sadly, is just one example of this pattern.
As a direct example of this, look at ICANT's explanation of the 1 Cor chapter in question then look at buzsaw's explanation. Even though the two preachers don't agree with each other, they don't want to debate each other. All they are concern right now is how to beat my atheist ass. If this was about something that concern us atheists, then there is almost 100% chance that this discussion would have turned into a great debate between the atheists.
Again, atheists seem be much more interested in debating with each other to try to come to an understanding while christians just want to throw out there their opinions and then at the same time agree with each other by not saying anything to each other, even if their views contradict each other. Seems to me like truth isn't that important to you guys.

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iano
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Message 54 of 106 (455188)
02-11-2008 10:44 AM
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02-10-2008 10:07 AM


Taz writes:
If in 3 days time I don't see any christian reacting or responding to johnfolton's sexist view, I'm going to take your silence as agreeing his view.
That's not a view. That's a garbled mess.
I hope you don't make a habit of forming views in such a "throw-your-toys-out-of-the-crib-unless.." fashion
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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GDR
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Message 55 of 106 (455189)
02-11-2008 10:44 AM
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02-11-2008 10:00 AM


Taz writes:
We criticize your theology because if we don't our children will be living under a christian theocracy.
Just how do you figure that your kids are in any danger of living in a Christian theocracy?
Taz writes:
This is a rare indeed occasion that you've decided to bless us with your opinion that is not so mainstream christian.
It's an argument where we won't come to any conclusion, but I contend that my views are mainstream.
Taz writes:
Again, atheists seem be much more interested in debating with each other to try to come to an understanding while christians just want to throw out there their opinions and then at the same time agree with each other by not saying anything to each other, even if their views contradict each other. Seems to me like truth isn't that important to you guys.
What do Atheists have to debate about. You guys tell me all the time that it isn't a belief, that it is a lack of belief. How do you argue over a lack of something?
Edited by GDR, : No reason given.
Edited by GDR, : No reason given.

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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Message 56 of 106 (455193)
02-11-2008 11:16 AM
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02-11-2008 10:00 AM


Taz's Christophobia
Taz writes:
We criticize your theology because if we don't our children will be living under a christian theocracy.
1. It was the fundi Christians who were the victims of Nazis and secular commies last century and who are being exterminated in Africa and elsewhere this century by Islamic theocracies whilst the UN looks on.
You're lumping Biblical NT Christian fundies in with the violent killer ideologies and that's just not fair at all.
Taz, you need to re-up with the NT and the NT churches so as to understand that neither the Bible or NT Christians advocate replacing our Constitutional Republic for a despotic non-Biblical Dark Ages theocracy. Somewhere along the line in your life you've been infected with lethal strain of Christophobia.
It wasn't Bilical fundi Christians who slaughtered a hundred million other Christians and nonconformists to secularist Communism in Europe and Asia last century or who eliminated millions of Jews and fundi Christians in Nazi Germany.
2. It's also not fundi NT Christians who abuse women in or out of the church. Mohammed borrowed some Biblical statements and ran away with them to expand upon and interlace them into his religion so as to justify oppressive abuse to women by their husbands, the state and the clergy.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Creationista
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Message 57 of 106 (455207)
02-11-2008 1:03 PM
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02-10-2008 10:07 AM


Common decency, the forum guidelines, and various other strictures do not permit an appropriate response to this individual.

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Message 58 of 106 (455220)
02-11-2008 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Taz
02-10-2008 10:07 AM


If in 3 days time I don't see any christian reacting or responding to johnfolton's sexist view, I'm going to take your silence as agreeing his view.
That is bigotry and bullshit.
There's plenty of reasons to not reply: don't care, no time, didn't see it, don't think it deserves one, etc.
You're just trying to smear christians.
How about this one:
If atheists don't reply to you and call out your bigotry, then that means that all atheists are bigots

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Message 59 of 106 (455239)
02-11-2008 3:55 PM


Taz,
I actually like women evangelists rather listen to gloria rather than kenneth copeland. In Christ there is no male or female however the purpose of the woman is not to hen peck her husband. That link also mentioned that men at work to be the agresssor to not just do what your told as if that is your duty, etc... Its about having a servants heart not about just being served, etc...
P.S. The green bay packers almost went to the superbowl not because everyone was just doing their part but because they became a team all doing more than what was required of them. Now I don't consider myself a pastor but everyone seems to believe its all about being served I see it more of all being on the same page but in Christ, kinda like the packers the coach is not playing the role of the players buddy he's the coach and the players are football players a team.
The purpose of the woman to me is to be the agressor, to be the wife, but one in Christ, etc... If a man has a job with a woman as his boss he has to be the aggressor but at home God gave him the right to be the man and the woman becomes the aggressor, etc...
I fully understand the roles are all screwed up here in America women having to work in the work force, heck some men are pretending to be the woman same sex marriage, things are getting pretty screwed up where everyone wants to do their own thing instead of being the aggressor, etc...
The Christian marriage too me is about being a team in Christ not about junior wearing the pants either for how will junior learn how to be the aggressor when its time for him to enter the work force, etc...
P.S. When the mother teaches the kids to respect the man they are raising them up to be productive members of society so they can be the aggressor when it comes time for them to enter the work force.
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nator
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Message 60 of 106 (455253)
02-11-2008 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by GDR
02-11-2008 1:42 AM


quote:
Certainly the Atheists on this forum are quick to criticize wacky scientific ideas but I'm not sure how one Atheist criticizes the theology of another Atheist. I thought you guys didn't have any theology.
We have morality and ethics.

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