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DogToDolphin
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Message 104 of 138 (455265)
02-11-2008 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Dr Adequate
04-13-2007 7:54 PM


Where was this dinosaur bone found? At the surface or deep down in the soil?
quote:
In 2000, Bob Harmon, a field crew chief from the Museum of the Rockies, was eating his lunch in a remote Montana canyon when he looked up and saw a bone sticking out of a rock wall. That bone turned out to be part of what may be the best preserved T. rex in the world. Over the next three summers, workers chipped away at the dinosaur, gradually removing it from the cliff face. They called it B. rex in Harmon’s honor and nicknamed it Bob. In 2001, they encased a section of the dinosaur and the surrounding dirt in plaster to protect it. The package weighed more than 2,000 pounds, which turned out to be just above their helicopter’s capacity, so they split it in half. One of B. rex’s leg bones was broken into two big pieces and several fragments”just what Schweitzer needed for her micro-scale explorations.
taken from Dinosaur Shocker | Science| Smithsonian Magazine
So I am thinking that this dinosaur might not be as old as 70millions years, if it's near the surface (even a bone is sticking out the surface), so my guess is that it could be a few centuries or thousand years old), but I am sure we will never know. They could always run carbon 14 tests, but that's unlikely going to happen if they stick to the millions year old.
I don't see why extant or not-that-old extinct dinosaurs would be a problem for evolutionists. As a matter of fact many cultures from the past tell stories about dragons (dinosaur-like creatures). Why would they make up an imaginary animal?
Look at the Beowulf poem and other medieval stories. Also China has a dragon as one of its national symbol. Why does it look so much like dinosaurs if indeed no one had seen them in the past.
I think this question will be resolved if we find dragon (dinosaurs) skull/skeletons in medieval sites or ancient sites where people lived.

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DogToDolphin
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Message 108 of 138 (455281)
02-11-2008 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Coyote
02-11-2008 7:07 PM


Hmmm,
Dragon - Wikipedia
What about the almost universal depiction of dragon (dinosaur)-like creatures around the globe?
You can check Inca, Turkish, Chinese, Indonesian, Russian, European artifacts, and they will show you a dragon-like (dinosaur if you prefer, but that term didn't exist back then) on their potteries, in their stories, Zodiac symbols (why would there be 11 common animals + 1 "mythical" one)?
What is so mythical about dragons?
Centaurs are definitely mythical since no one has ever found a Centaur skeleton afaik?
It's not the case of Dragons/Dinosaurs, right?

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DogToDolphin
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Message 112 of 138 (455289)
02-11-2008 7:46 PM
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02-11-2008 7:37 PM


Well, my question was how come ancient cultures depicted dinosaurs-like creatures? If indeed they had not seen any and it was all a myth.
Isn't it something worth looking into, even if you are not interested in it. I don't ask you to be interested in the topic if you don't want to.
Edited by DogToDolphin, : syntax

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DogToDolphin
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Message 113 of 138 (455290)
02-11-2008 7:47 PM
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02-11-2008 7:42 PM


I wrote Dragon/Dinosaurs since the word Dinosaurs didn't exist before the 19th century.

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DogToDolphin
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Message 119 of 138 (455303)
02-11-2008 8:17 PM
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02-11-2008 7:54 PM


quote:
According to the report you quoted, it is near the bottom of an exposed cliff face.
I agree with you on that one.
quote:
who don't live in your fantasy world
Why are you saying I live in a Fantasy world?
What about Dracorex hogwartsia?
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.hmnh.org/archives/2006/05/22/dragon-people-dear-readers/
But then again, I am not saying with dogmatism that they did exist, but the doubt remains as to the truth of all those legends.

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DogToDolphin
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Message 120 of 138 (455305)
02-11-2008 8:25 PM
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02-11-2008 7:58 PM


quote:
You know, ancient people can dig up old bones, too. What do you think they'll come up with when they see a T-Rex skull? Maybe make up a fantastical myth to explain it, like everything else they didn't understand about the world?
That's a plausible explanation.
Unicorns are horses with a horn, Griffins seem to be a mosaic of a kind of eagle and a lion, but doesn't seem to be a worldwide myth, compared to the dragon or dinosaurs like creatures.

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DogToDolphin
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Message 121 of 138 (455307)
02-11-2008 8:32 PM
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02-11-2008 8:04 PM


quote:
Then you can ask yourself which is more likely - that dragons existed, or that early people came upon the fossil skeletons of dinosaurs and made up myths to explain them.
That's plausible, and it makes sense.

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DogToDolphin
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Message 124 of 138 (455322)
02-11-2008 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Rahvin
02-11-2008 8:42 PM


what about the Oarfish? Even thought it is not a "dragon", it still looks like an ancient mythological creature, doesn't it?
Oarfish - Wikipedia
Giant Oarfish

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DogToDolphin
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Message 128 of 138 (455380)
02-12-2008 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Dr Adequate
02-11-2008 9:56 PM


What makes you think I was arguing against evolution?
I don't have necessarily a point to draw.
It seems you have all the answers about life, good for you!
I can't say the same.
But if you don't want to contribute to discussions, why waste your time to reply? You draw wrong conclusions from my motives and what I am writing. So nobody gains anything from your replies, and I certainly don't see the point of your replies.
It also seems to me that you want to "win" the discussion at all cost.
This is my last reply to your ad-hominem attacks, since it's not worth my time, it's not even like you're bringing evidences or arguments.
Now about the Oarfish, maybe for you it's old news, but I think most people have never heard/seen such a creature, like myself actually. It does look like some ancient Chinese representation of "dragons" without legs though. Does it mean anything, does that prove anything, of course no. How can we know for sure. Those are just interesting things to discuss. But then I'm not gonna spend my life on the subject.
Anyway, don't feel like you have to come in and spell your curses to me, you will do more harm to your credibility.

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DogToDolphin
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Message 132 of 138 (456296)
02-16-2008 9:32 PM
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02-12-2008 3:47 PM


Dino Blood In Video
Here is a video I found on Google, worth watching, it's 13minutes long only, and has Mary Schweitzer interviewed and others.

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DogToDolphin
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Message 135 of 138 (456510)
02-18-2008 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Percy
02-18-2008 8:28 AM


Re: Dino Blood In Video
Ok guys, here are some notes I took while watching the video again:
Basically fossilized bones cannot tell us whether Dinos were warm-blooded/cold-blooded, how different they were from reptiles...
The video interviews a married couple the wife Christy Corey Rogers cuts bones and examine patterns that was once living tissues and her husband Ray Rogers is a geologist.
The interviewer describes their job as a kind of CSI of the past, which is rather true since the couple are able to identify pathologies and diseases.
Their predilection site of excavation is Madagascar where a kind of Dinos graveyard covers the ground. Those bones look white and are light compared to regular fossils filled with mineral.
Those bones might have been preserved because of the clay rich rock it is entombed in. They are not infested with manganese and other minerals. They look like bleached cow bones.
They went to see Mary Schweitzer who found in Montana the biggest T-Rex ever. And she is the first one to have discovered red blood cells. She was intrigued by the hollowness of a bone and that led her to analyze a section of the bone under microscope. No one could believe her find at first since the laws of decay wouldn't preserve such delicate structures after millions of years.
She also put some bones in acid, and then she asked her assistant to analyze the remains, and the assistant described (as shown in the video) tissues that she could extend and flex. Mary ran subsequent tests to make sure.
It is too early to reveal anything yet about how Dinos died or if we can get full DNA.
Anyway these finds open a door for fossil studies that no one could have dreamed of 10 years ago.
I hope more research will be done on other fossils, not only Dinos but maybe other organisms.
Anybody knows about that Madagascar Dino Graveyard, I'd be interested to see pictures.
Edited by DogToDolphin, : No reason given.

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