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Trixie Member (Idle past 3705 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
But surely it is the responsibility of Christians to point out that arguments of both sorts don't represent them? How else can Christianity counter misrepresentations?
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
As I've already pointed out, I'd rely on the natural defences of non-Christian EvC-er to deal with jf's representations of Christianity without my having to do so much as lift a finger.
If it smells rotten then it will be discarded surely?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
But after I pointed out your silence implicating you agree with him, you guys piled onto me instead of him. You were being an ass and trying to smear people. Silence does not necessarily imply agreement.
What you guys just did is exactly what I've been trying to point out for a while now. But you're mistaken.
It seems like you guys just go along with whatever wacky comments made by fellow christians as long as they're made in the name of christ. Well, you're wrong.
But god forbids if an atheist like myself jumps in and calls you guys out on it. I don't care that he's christian and your not. Your method of "calling out" was bullshit straight from an asshole.
CS, are you trying to tell me that you don't care enough about sexism in christianity, especially sexism in the name of christian religion? Not at all. I'm trying to tell you that you're totally wrong about this whole "Christian's silence = agreement" thing. There's plenty of reasons to not post. You are just choosing the reason that you like best that fits into your goal of smearing christians and chrsitanity.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Johnfolton writes: In Christ there is no male or female Galations 3:28. Johnfolton, that depends on what scriptural context to which you're referring. There is male and female in Christ all the way from Genesis to his apostles regarding to functions of the church, home, etc. The Galations 3 context is about salvation, baptism and one's relationship to God. Read it beginning with a few verses before verse 28 and to the end of the chapter. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
CS writes:
No I wasn't. This is an issue that I've brought up many times, but you guys seem to have ignored them in the past. So, this time I used a little more direct language to get your attention. I wasn't trying to smear anyone.
You were being an ass and trying to smear people. Silence does not necessarily imply agreement.
Yes, it does. If an evolution advocate says something like "man evolved from monkeys", you can be sure that a dozen or so other evolution believers, including myself, would jump on him and correct him right away. If an atheist claims that all atheists believe in Satan, you can be sure that I'd be one of the first to point out right away that atheists also don't believe in Satan. But everytime a christian says something wacky like johnfolton just did, all we get are some cricket chirpings from your side. Silence IS another way of telling the world you agree with them.
But you're mistaken.
No, I'm not. Johnfolton's comments are sexist in nature. But all you're worried about is me. Gee, I wonder why. Is it because you agree with him but don't want to admit it?
I don't care that he's christian and your not. Your method of "calling out" was bullshit straight from an asshole.
Fine, then I'll take the name asshole. Again, I've been bringing this issue up many times now, but you guys have virtually ignored it. I thought I'd use a little more direct language this time, and surely enough you're all hung up on my direct language instead of paying attention to how there are sexist elements in christianity and how these elements are using your precious bible to justify their view.
Not at all. I'm trying to tell you that you're totally wrong about this whole "Christian's silence = agreement" thing. There's plenty of reasons to not post. You are just choosing the reason that you like best that fits into your goal of smearing christians and chrsitanity.
Well, if it happened just once or twice.. or thrice, then I would agree with you. But this is a pattern that is repeated over and over. As Percy asked in another thread, why don't creationists police themselves? I'm asking a slightly modified question now. Why don't christians police themselves? Isn't it because in both cases they believe in the bullshit but don't want to admit it?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
It is noteworthy that it was the same apostle, Paul who wrote both contexts, the one limiting the role of women in the church and leadership and the one saying male and female are alike in Christ.
Edited by Buzsaw, : eliminate word for clarity BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
No I wasn't.
This is an issue that I've brought up many times, but you guys seem to have ignored them in the past. I've seen you bring it up and I have ignored you. That's because its bullshit. Oh but wait, sense I didn't respond to you and say that I disagreed, then I must have agreed with you, right? Well I don't agree with you and I didn't reply, so not replying must not mean agreeing.
So, this time I used a little more direct language to get your attention. I wasn't trying to smear anyone. Here is what you said in Message 47:
quote: You're implying that any christian that does not reply is a sexist. That is a smear.
Yes, it does. If an evolution advocate says something like "man evolved from monkeys", you can be sure that a dozen or so other evolution believers, including myself, would jump on him and correct him right away. If an atheist claims that all atheists believe in Satan, you can be sure that I'd be one of the first to point out right away that atheists also don't believe in Satan. All that means is that you care about shit that doesn't matter more than I do. People say wacky things. I don't care to correct everybody. If someone remains uncorrected, that does not mean I agree with them. I can't believe you think it does. If you don't have time to reply to a post, then that means that you agree with it!? Can I go dig up a thread from years ago where an atheist said something wacky, and then take your lack of reply as agreement?
No, I'm not. Johnfolton's comments are sexist in nature. But all you're worried about is me. Gee, I wonder why. Is it because you agree with him but don't want to admit it? Its because I don't give a shit about him or what he writes. He could write that the sky is green and the grass is blue and I won't feel compelled to correct him. I just don't care.
Silence IS another way of telling the world you agree with them. Yeah, except when its not
Again, I've been bringing this issue up many times now, but you guys have virtually ignored it. Thats because its a non-issue. Its just an illogical attempt to smear christianity. No need to dignify it with a response.
I thought I'd use a little more direct language this time, and surely enough you're all hung up on my direct language instead of paying attention to how there are sexist elements in christianity and how these elements are using your precious bible to justify their view. Yes, it was because of the ad hominem that included me. You can't tell people what they believe if they don't do X.
Isn't it because in both cases they believe in the bullshit but don't want to admit it? How many times do I have to say: "No, its not."?
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Creationista Inactive Junior Member |
Your opinion on the Forum Guidelines, and mine, are clearly different.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4032 Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Yes, it does. If an evolution advocate says something like "man evolved from monkeys", you can be sure that a dozen or so other evolution believers, including myself, would jump on him and correct him right away. If an atheist claims that all atheists believe in Satan, you can be sure that I'd be one of the first to point out right away that atheists also don't believe in Satan. But everytime a christian says something wacky like johnfolton just did, all we get are some cricket chirpings from your side. Silence IS another way of telling the world you agree with them. Think of it this way, Taz - most of the Christians around here likely think johnfolton is just as crazy and sexist as you or I do. They certainly don't practice the same specific flavor of Christianity. They likely don't even feel that johnfolton is actually misrepresenting their beliefs, simply because he's so far off the deep end. Aside from that, the Atheists don't jump on each other en masse, either. A few will point out the error - and that was done in this thread, as well. It was done by female Christian members, but once the point has been made, is a male Christian then obligated to step in and affirm "yes, johnfolton is sexist, and no, this does not represent my beliefs or Christianity as a whole."? It really would just be repetition of previous posts. Silence, when the point has already been refuted by others, does not constitute agreement, and that leaves out real-life concerns of time and attention to a specific thread as well. When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5353 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
I find it hard to believe that there was already a law of the land in place dictating how people should act or speak inside christian churches. Perhaps the law of the land at the time was speaking to how women should behave in society in general. I've been in one or two churches and in every one women were allowed to speak. I guess in your view the Christian leadership got it all wrong. My point is that regardless of the past, women today are in fact allowed to speak in most churches and "I" don't see any contradiction in that. You can see whatever you wish. In my view its a good thing we have this ability to make choices cause. Thanks to free will I'm not stuck with your opinion. " If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
We have morality and ethics. quote: All morality is based upon the social requirements of people living together in groups.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
A reply to Message #46 in this thread is desired.
Come on, be a man and address my criticisms.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Apparently. Of course, I used to be a Moderator before Percy's Police State was instated, and I have also been a member here for a very, very long time, so take from that what you will. Perhaps you can point out the parts of my post which you believe violate the forum guidelines. Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5591 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Just maybe Paul was trying to protect the woman folk from becoming a gossip?
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Creationista Inactive Junior Member |
It's not a violation so much as a difference of opinion. Different people have different levels of "inflammatory" and "arguing the person".
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