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Hill Billy
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Message 234 of 302 (455471)
02-12-2008 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Larni
02-12-2008 1:39 PM


Re: Dr. Fantasy
Now you are being foolish or deliberately misinterpreting the meaning here.
Umm, no, I'm disagreeing with the statement. Calling bullshit so to speak.

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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5353 days)
Posts: 163
From: The hills
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Message 235 of 302 (455472)
02-12-2008 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by New Cat's Eye
02-12-2008 2:13 PM


Re: Trolls are us
No. Your reply to that one.
Funny how different folks see the same thing differently. Isn't it?

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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5353 days)
Posts: 163
From: The hills
Joined: 01-26-2008


Message 236 of 302 (455476)
02-12-2008 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by nator
02-09-2008 6:08 PM


Anti-science crowd?
Nator,when you say
To understand better how the anti-science crowd thinks and what they believe, so I can better combat their influence in our society
I wonder does this anti-science crowd actually exist? I am completely unfamiliar with this term but it seems to me if they are real they would be obvious. They would be naked cause science taught us that cloths keep us warm. They couldn't possibly be dangerous cause weapons come from science. Would they even own a computer? What kind of influence could a naked, poo slinging crowd exert in our society?
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Edited by Hill Billy, : No reason given.

" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5353 days)
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Message 239 of 302 (455480)
02-12-2008 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Larni
02-12-2008 2:40 PM


Re: Dr. Fantasy
prevaracating.
I don't know what this means so I can't deny doin it.
So what's it going to be? Deliberately obtuse or not as smart as a ten year old.
No other options?
You may or may not have noticed that I respond to different individuals individually. This individual (Dr.A) has accused me of being dishonest and attempted to bait me. Should I ignore this? Perhaps I should, but being human, I incorporate my emotions in my decision making process. Was I being a smartass? I suppose.
When in Rome.

" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

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Hill Billy
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Posts: 163
From: The hills
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Message 241 of 302 (455482)
02-12-2008 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by New Cat's Eye
02-12-2008 2:44 PM


Re: Trolls are us
Hilarious, even.
FYI: the joke is on you.
Wouldn't this be considered trolling?

" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5353 days)
Posts: 163
From: The hills
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Message 244 of 302 (455490)
02-12-2008 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by Larni
02-12-2008 2:59 PM


Re: Dr. Fantasy
That's just it Hill Billy, you erode any point that you may try to make by acting in this way.
I suppose you are right. It is out of habit and ego that I try to out smart ass the smart ass.
I think it's also true of those who use big words to say small things. Eroding the point that is. See, it's tough for me to carry on a conversation if I gotta keep runnin back to the dictionary.

" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

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Hill Billy
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Message 248 of 302 (455525)
02-12-2008 7:24 PM


I feel BAD
Today,the person I admire most in this world did what I may admire most.
She apologized.
Now it's my turn.
I'm sorry.
Had I not gotten so darn pissed at Nators thread I likely would never have signed up here.
I realize I've pretty much blown any chance of being seen as credible so....
God be with you.

" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

  
Hill Billy
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Posts: 163
From: The hills
Joined: 01-26-2008


Message 257 of 302 (455832)
02-13-2008 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Dr Adequate
02-13-2008 8:34 PM


Re: Dr. Fantasy
Dr.
(Unless you are genuinely dumb enough to think that the crazy gibberish you made up in your head is what I really meant, in which case you have my sympathy.)
Nope. It was perhaps, one of the straws that broke the camels back, so to speak, and led to this :
Today,the person I admire most in this world did what I may admire most.
She apologized.
Now it's my turn.
I'm sorry.
Had I not gotten so darn pissed at Nators thread I likely would never have signed up here.
I realize I've pretty much blown any chance of being seen as credible so....
God be with you.
You have my apology.

" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

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Hill Billy
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Message 258 of 302 (455872)
02-14-2008 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Blue Jay
02-12-2008 8:14 PM


Bluejay
In fact, with help from RAZD's forum on trolling, I'm confident that this thread was intended to make people frustrated and upset enough that they'll give up to make it stop
The truth is the truth, but not always the whole truth.
I spent a lot of time here, reading these debates, and did not seriously consider signing up until I tripped over the thread on writing skills.
The reason I signed up was cause of my emotional response to that thread. I was pissed! That that was the intention of the writers I do not know, however it was the result. So, I got trolled, I allowed my emotions to rule the day, and found myself, eventually, doing exactly what pissed me off in the first place.That is the motivation for the apology. In my view it is unprofitable for a person to let any part of the process of drawing conclusions become exclusive. What I did, in my view, was wrong.
and the methodology is to ask stupid questions that my three-month-old baby could figure out on his own, and to make outrageous claims that are based on nothing but hot air.
Yep. Well, almost, There needs be at least a sprinkle of truth or there is no emotional response.
And, all this just to make perfecty sane and normal people lose their cool and say nasty things about donuts.
I am absolutely blown away that anyone would deny the influence their emotions have on their choices.To me that seems the same as denying a need for air. It does lead to some humorous moments, but it can easily become a very dark game.
Maybe, evolutionists, the fact that we've gone after this thread so vehemently proves, at least to a small degree, that the basic premise is not as far off as we think it is.
Just a sprinkle?
Seems to me that if a person holds a belief that they are correct about something, anything, and someone else is incorrect, that the holding of that belief requires a feeling of superiority, at least on that topic.
But what do I know? Or anyone else for that matter?

" If a body don't wanna hear what you're sayin it don't matter much how you say it" Some hillbilly.

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Hill Billy
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From: The hills
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Message 259 of 302 (455947)
02-14-2008 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Larni
02-12-2008 2:51 PM


Anti-science crowded house
One day I might learn more big words.
Yes it does. It's also known as Right Wing Fundementalism.
Then I'll be able to call this what it is in Latin or something, but for now, in hillbilly, it seems a bit over the top.To label right wing fundamentalism as Anti-science, that is. Seems a bit inflammatory in nature to me.
You're are right by the way, they should be obvious but with one breath they pray to their god and try to get the definition of science to include magic (to teach in schools no less)
Around here they are teaching kids that this universe and everything in it just sort of happened, randomly. Nothing began to expand and this process continued until now. Nothing followed the laws of physics and became something that expanded and became something else. I'm not sure why this sounds like MAGIC to me. It may be that I don't actually understand what they are actually teaching or perhaps they don't actually understand what they are teaching, or perhaps the problem lies in what they are actually teaching. The message around here seems to be that all "this" ( you know, all this everything) just happened, no cause or explanation necessary, cause its magic.
Me, I'd be much more comfortable with what I think is the truth, that no one really knows for sure WTF is going on. Not really.
Science classes for gods sake!
Exactly.I say "Lets teach kids how to do science,how to draw conclusions, not just tell them someone else's conclusions." Lets quit pretending science tells us what happened. Science, the way I see it, doesn't actually do anything. People DO science. Those people have ideas about what MAY have happened. There still remains much mystery in this universe.
Or maybe I just have a tiny little mind and there ain't no room for all that stuff in there.

The years tell what the days never knew.

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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5353 days)
Posts: 163
From: The hills
Joined: 01-26-2008


Message 266 of 302 (455982)
02-14-2008 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by AZPaul3
02-14-2008 5:27 PM


I like Crowded house
I think I grasp the basics, something that is expanding now likely was smaller in the past? Something along those lines?
All our data, all our evidence (and there is a whole lot of it for those who care to look) indicate that about 13+- billion years ago the universe was very small (smaller than the size of a proton) and has been expanding ever since.
Now, other than the time frame,which brings to my mind the question ........" Is time the same now as it was then?(13 billion years ago? ) "
thats pretty much what I said here :
Nothing began to expand and this process continued until now.
Unless, let me ask you. What contains a universe of energy and/or matter, is smaller than a proton and is not a proton? As far as I'm aware this describes nothing we know of.
Where it came from we do not know. How it came into being we do not know. Yet.
Right, like I said :
The message around here seems to be that all "this" ( you know, all this everything) just happened, no cause or explanation necessary, cause its magic.
Now don't misunderstand me, I not suggesting that this theory isn't possible, or even likely, just that it seems a bit fanciful to me that it happened all by itself.
I guess my tiny little mind needs a God to hang on to.

The years tell what the days never knew.

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Hill Billy
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Posts: 163
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Message 267 of 302 (455985)
02-14-2008 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by bluegenes
02-14-2008 6:15 PM


Do you think there are scientists who disagree with that?
Well, there probably are but thats not really my point, that some people are convinced that some mysteries that have not been solved, have been solved. Or perhaps that some mysteries that have been solved have not.
Much earlier in this thread you said:
Does this mean that they think that they are an elite that will go to eternal heaven, unlike those who don't share their beliefs?
If you don't mind, it seems that you have this impression that Christianity is somehow elite and exclusive, no? See myself, I see it as the opposite, inclusive and, what's the opposite of elite? Anyway, in my view, it's God who is elite and then there is the rest of us.
If Christianity was a corporation the recruiting department would have, by far, the most bodies. How is this desire to include any who will hear seen as elite or exclusive?
I don't get it.

The years tell what the days never knew.

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Hill Billy
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Posts: 163
From: The hills
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Message 268 of 302 (455988)
02-14-2008 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Coragyps
02-14-2008 8:40 PM


Anti-science in action?
Now , I don't want to start a big ruckus but this ,
Well, that, and because all the evidence that the same science that routinely cures leukemia and brings us TIVO can muster shows that to be the case.
I don't think, is exactly accurate, is it? It's not really the "same" science, is it? Are we not speaking of theoretical science here? Mostly mathematical models isn't it? As opposed to the practical, or material type of science that cures diseases and such.
Or does someone have a singularity, on a table, in a lab somewhere?
I'm feeling pretty humbled by all that science
Me, I'm feeling pretty humbled by the God that made all that science possible.
my contributions to knowledge are just about reducing sludging in crude oils and an easier-to-handle clay stabilizer for "oil-bearing subterranean earthern formations."
And mine include contributions toward a safer and more efficient use of that oil after its refined. Cool eh, connections.

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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5353 days)
Posts: 163
From: The hills
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Message 270 of 302 (456002)
02-14-2008 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Coragyps
02-14-2008 10:24 PM


Re: Anti-science in action?
I'm not trying to nitpick here but,
A nice amateur telescope set-up, these days, is enough to show that the universe is expanding.
would it not be more accurate to say that we see things in the universe are moving apart? We don't see the things in the universe expanding , do we? We don't actually know that the space the universe occupies is expanding, do we? Just that things are moving apart, yes, no?

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Hill Billy
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Message 282 of 302 (456170)
02-15-2008 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by cavediver
02-15-2008 4:38 AM


Science in action?
We are talking of General Relativity, a mathematical model of the Universe
Cool.
the possibility that space-time can indeed bend and curve and give rise to what we call 'expansion'.
This stuff does bend my mind, but I think I can grab it. Let me try.
If the universe is expanding, as it seems it is, is space time also expanding?
willful ignorance...
No thanks, got lots. Seriously, If the universe is expanding then why wouldn't space time expand? If space time is expanding then in the past time moved at a faster rate. Or slower? I think likely faster but....
This isn't typical conversation in my neck of the woods and you don't read much about it in the local paper, I think I understand why. I can pretty much garntee the local music teacher that happens to teach the science class would have that deer in the head lites look about now.
Time, motion, distance, space, energy, mass, love.
Dig it.

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