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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Your understanding is wrong. In fact, your statement is 100% false. My husband just taught a lecture to his to his Educational Psychology class that debunked that and all the other popular mythology attached to this issue. So, all the stuff you argue after that is worthless since your premise is false.
quote: Sure there are. But having the brawn and agression neccessary to crush skulls and bring down large prey isn't exactly valuable in a leader these days, is it? Wouldn't you say that being skilled in communication, negotiation, and diplomacy are more valuable in leadership positions these days? Which gender traditionally excells in those skills?
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: That's not how it works, madear. You can provide evidence for your claim, since you made it and it has been challeneged, or retract it. And by "evidence", we mean studies from the scientific literature. But if anything, women should be considered more "left-brained", since they tend to score higher on verbal tests, and the left half of the brain is responsible for verbal activity. Right? But anyway, since I already know that you won't provide such evidence, becasue you think you don't have to support your claims with evidence, ever, I've doen gone and debunked you, with a Christian website, no less. The difference being, of course, that they actually have some education in Psychology:
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- Jerre Levy, a biopsychologist at the University of Chicago, contends: "The two-brain myth was founded on an erroneous premise: that since each hemisphere was specialized, each must function as an independent brain. But in fact, just the opposite is true. To the extent that regions are differentiated in the brain, they must integrate their activities. Indeed, it is precisely that integration that gives rise to behavior and mental processes greater than and different from each region's contribution. Thus, since the central premise of the mythmakers is wrong, so are all the inferences derived from it" ("Right Brain, Left Brain: Fact and Fiction," Psychology Today, May 1985, p. 43). - Today's popular left-brain/right-brain myth was spawned by pop psychology -- a myth which some brain researchers have called "whole-brain/half-wittedness." In 1988, even Psychology Today ridiculed the concept with an article titled "Left-Brain/Right-Brain/Broccoli-Brain." One should not be surprised when the whole world is deceived, nor when New Age promoters use the pseudoscience of brain hemisphere dichotomy to give a semblance of substance to their desires to market intuition, creativity, visualization, and mystical experience. One should be concerned, though, when professing, evangelical Christians embrace and enthusiastically teach this myth as fact. We see those who purport to speak for God use such "science falsely so-called" (1 Timothy 6:20) and "philosophies and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ" (Colossians 2:8). Rather than checking the accuracy of statements about right and left brain research and conclusions, too many have moved into the never-never land of fantasy. Not only are their assumptions erroneous from a logical point of view; they have no support in Scripture. - Gary Smalley is one such professing Christian teaching this right-brain/left-brain nonsense. According to Smalley, because women are "right-brained," they are "more in touch" with their feelings. On the basis of this theory, Smalley approaches the marriage relationship from a selfish wife's point of view, and concentrates on how the wife can get her husband to meet all of her so-called needs, rather than how she can be a loving help-mate to him. Smalley, therefore, actually promotes a form of female dominance in the marriage relationship. Smalley's popularization of right-brain/left-brain has been largely due to his book The Language of Love (published and promoted by James Dobson's Focus on the Family Radio program), co-authored by Smalley and fellow psychologist, John Trent. The book touts "emotional word pictures" as the means of "activating" the "right brain," alleged to be essential for a wife to communicate with her husband. - Other well-known proponents of this teaching (besides Smalley, Trent, and Dobson mentioned above) are Donald Joy (who Smalley and Trent credit as being the source of their right/left brain information) and H. Norman Wright. They all dichotomize differences in a way the research does not permit, and promote right-brain/left-brain pseudoscience that the researchers oppose. They claim differences that do not exist and they ignore overlapping distributions that do exist. This misinformation and disinformation by such popularizers of right-brain/left-brain mythology are a gross disservice to the church.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
would love a reply to my message regarding left/right brain, buz.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
A reply to my message 21 in this thread would be appreciated.
I provided what you asked for, after all.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
From your quote:
The study shows women having more white matter and men more gray matter related to intellectual skill, revealing that no single neuroanatomical structure determines general intelligence and that different types of brain designs are capable of producing equivalent intellectual performance. This means, essentially, that this study found that just because male and female brains have some general differences in structure, those differences are irrelevant to what male and female brains are capable of. So, your claim that "the science of the brain as I understand is that men are more left frontal lobe and women more right frontal lobe." is not just unsupported, but your own source debunks it. So, are you going to do the honest, honerable thing and retract your claim? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: That is the statement of a little boy, not a real man. Real men do not fear women, and real men treat women as adult people, not as inferiors or children. Obviously, we want the smartest, most capable people in positions of responsibility, and last time I checked, having a penis didn't necessarily make a person smart.
quote: How do you know it isn't written by a man pretending to be a woman? But anyway, so what if it was written by a woman? People have bought into their own oppression if they are raised to believe that this is the "natural" way. After all, people who not only submit to their oppression but actively participate in perpetuating it are likely to be praised within that oppressive system. We saw it in Europe with the monarchies. We see it today in India with their caste system. The royals in power believed that God gave them the right to rule simply by virtue of their lineage, and the common people believed it too. Do you believe that some people are better and have more rights to rule over others just becasue they are born into certain families? Ir, is it just certain sexual organs that make one better and have more rights? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: We have morality and ethics.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: That's just an excuse. I had no trouble:
Message #46
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
A reply to my message #46 would be appreciated.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Sexist. Both men and women nag each other.
quote: Women at work can be agressors, too.
quote: This makes no sense.
quote: Did it ever occur to you that women like to work, and have a profession? That they find fulfillment and pleasure in having a career, and enjoy the financial independence, mental stimulation, and social interaction, of work and career, just like men do? Becasue they are adult human beings with minds and talent, just like men are? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
We have morality and ethics. quote: All morality is based upon the social requirements of people living together in groups.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
A reply to Message #46 in this thread is desired.
Come on, be a man and address my criticisms.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Apparently. Of course, I used to be a Moderator before Percy's Police State was instated, and I have also been a member here for a very, very long time, so take from that what you will. Perhaps you can point out the parts of my post which you believe violate the forum guidelines. Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Whatever.
If you can't even manage something as mild as, "I don't like what you wrote about women." in response to jonfolton, then I guess you can be counted as one who doesn't think it is important to contradict him directly.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: OK, how about something like: "What you sed about women is the worst thing I've ever heard." The point is, you refuse to confront him directly. Why is that?
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