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Author Topic:   Evolutionary superiority
pelican
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Message 207 of 302 (455158)
02-10-2008 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by nator
02-10-2008 9:12 AM


Re: This Topic
From my perspective, I find it extremely prideful to reject all material evidence in favor of belief in something based on personal feelings.
What about true beliefs built on rational feeling, life experience and logic? No proof whatsoever. I have a few that no way could be proved scientifically and no-one who hasn't had these experiences would believe it.
You asked me to provide an example which I took literally to mean an example of a true belief I held that I could explain as true based on rational feelings, life experiences and logic.............
But that's not a "true belief" about natural phenomena.
.............. phew, I'm glad I got that wrong. I hadn't a clue how I could explain my belief but I wanted to show off my evolutionary superiorority. Damn. Thwarted again.
regards
But that's not a "true belief" about natural phenomena.
Edited by paula rose, : bad spelling

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pelican
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Message 208 of 302 (455160)
02-10-2008 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Dr Adequate
02-09-2008 12:02 PM


Re: Trixie, your words betray you.
drinadequate writes:
Fortunately, your disingenuous fantasies are not at all likely to upset her; the insight that they inadvertently offer into your mental processes must surely compensate in unintentional humor for what they lack in charm.
You appear to be the only one who keeps seeing these fantasies. I'm beginning to worry about you. I'm sure Hill Billy wasn't fantasizing about Trixie crying. I'm sure Hill Billy knows she is much stronger than that. Did you see how Trixie kicked my arse when I was heinrik? Don't you go worrying your head over us females. We are from strong breeding stock.

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pelican
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Message 209 of 302 (455162)
02-10-2008 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Larni
02-10-2008 10:41 AM


Re: true beliefs?
The belief I put forward is not actually about the material world but about humanity itself that resides in the physical world.
We are feeling, thinking, conscious beings experienced through a living body. I believe all three incorpoated create our life experiences. Could this belief be proved/disproved?

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pelican
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Message 212 of 302 (455178)
02-11-2008 9:22 AM
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02-11-2008 8:33 AM


Re: true beliefs?
I would be happy to answer your questions if you are sincere and willing to consider my answers. However, would this be on topic for this thread?

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pelican
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Message 220 of 302 (455274)
02-11-2008 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Blue Jay
02-11-2008 1:12 PM


yes your post is long and I tried to take it all in. However I was drawn to this statement again and again............
Therefore, your feelings and your beliefs are worthless, while the evidence is irreplaceable.
.........................
If feelings and beliefs are worthless, then are you saying the only value we have is our intelligence?
I cannot agree. I believe your feelings and beliefs are invaluable, if only to you, which they are not.
I think you have assumed I am a creationists but I don't restrict myself with labels. regards

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pelican
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Message 223 of 302 (455345)
02-11-2008 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Blue Jay
02-11-2008 10:11 PM


Ooops. I did assume you assumed I was a creationist like many others. You didn't actually mean me personally. This 'you' is meant in the singular but I will read 'you' as in the plural from here on. Thanks for that. It was bugging me.
I meant "worthless" in terms of proving stuff, Paula Rose. If you think that your feelings are important, I will not argue with you. However, if anybody thinks that their feelings should be given equal standing with verifiable physical evidence, I will complain very loudly until the administrators drag me away. And my complaints will follow the lines of the two long posts I have provided previously in this very thread.
OK you didn't actually say what you meant. I believe my life experiences are verifiable, physical, evidence that only I can know, but maybe others can relate to.
This thread is a result of a challenge to prove my belief without using scientific or religious dogma. I won't use it and I won't dispute it because it is irrelevent to the intention.
Hope this clarifies the position. regards Paula Rose.

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pelican
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Message 225 of 302 (455395)
02-12-2008 10:21 AM
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02-12-2008 7:04 AM


We meet again. I hope you know you are feeding a troll. Watch out for the troll guards. They might say you are one by assiciation. However,
Evidence that "only you can know" cannot also be "verifiable".
By definition, for evidence to be verifiable, anyone must be able to observe it.
The evidence would be verifiable with others having the same experiences or very similar and correlating the experiences to draw a conclusion. How many would we need?

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pelican
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Message 252 of 302 (455596)
02-12-2008 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by nator
02-12-2008 6:02 PM


Re: Dr. Fantasy
Dr. Adequate replies:
No, the better educated feel better educated.
That's all.
nator writes:
What does this reponse have to do with feeling superior, which you know was the point he was responding to? Nothing, right?
I think you may have meant it this way around as Dr inadequate's post had nothing to do with the topic.

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