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obvious Child
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Message 1 of 43 (455826)
02-13-2008 10:32 PM


How do you guys who visit other forums deal with particularly stupid, ignorant but stubborn creationists?

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Rahvin
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Message 2 of 43 (455829)
02-13-2008 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by obvious Child
02-13-2008 10:32 PM


lol!
That depends on the board - this one is decently moderated from the perspective of encouraging "both sides" to remain and continue to debate.
Other boards don't care if there is a Creationist/Evolution bias - on the Evolutionist-dominated sites I frequent, there is typically a massive pileup on the Creationist as a few dozen posters completely dismantle the Creationists argument and proceed to mock him thoroughly. If the Creationist refuses to substantiate his argumetns and proves to be a moron, he is banned.

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subbie
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Message 3 of 43 (455830)
02-13-2008 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by obvious Child
02-13-2008 10:32 PM


Ridicule.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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obvious Child
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Message 4 of 43 (455837)
02-14-2008 12:57 AM


Both of those have failed.
These two guys don't understand what shame is and when we argue that since they reject evolution, they reject virtually all sciences they go into childish tantrums despite arguments that show that the sciences we are talking about are practical ones.
One of the morons even went so far as to argue that since they are ganged up on, they are right never mind any mention at all of how their arguments were total crap. He is now trying to weasel out of that argument despite my linking of his post. Shame is not something they understand.
They are now more or less ignoring everything they don't like even so far as to pretend parts of our posts don't exist.
And one of them is pretty stupid. I noted that once I brought up an argument, he got the hell out, he's arguing I'm using the fallacy of emotive language since I said Hell.
....
how do you deal with this kind of moron?
Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given.

  
Taz
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Message 5 of 43 (455838)
02-14-2008 1:00 AM
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02-13-2008 10:32 PM


Simple. I don't visit other boards at all. When I used to visit other boards, I had to regularly take blood pressure pills. Being monogamous with this site has removed the need for those pills.

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ramoss
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Message 6 of 43 (455868)
02-14-2008 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Rahvin
02-13-2008 11:18 PM


Considering there isn't any information a creationist can provide to substantiate their claim without having it demolished for being bad information, then I bet a lot of creationists get banned.

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obvious Child
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Message 7 of 43 (455948)
02-14-2008 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by ramoss
02-14-2008 10:06 AM


Yeah but then they claim to be victims. What I always find amusing is that these same people attack 'liberals' for their culture of victimhood but they have no problem using it when they are losing.
There are at least four threads asking creationists to prove their claims of creation and not one has an decent argument or any evidence. I bring up false dichotomy and they just pretend it doesn't exist.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 8 of 43 (455950)
02-14-2008 4:28 PM
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02-14-2008 4:15 PM


Since its bothering you so much, why don't you do something else?

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ThreeDogs
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Message 9 of 43 (455952)
02-14-2008 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by obvious Child
02-13-2008 10:32 PM


Morons
of every shade and color and kind, including moronic creationists (I have no proof they are moronic other than your statement), should be ignored. Why deal with people who vex your spirit? Go on to something else. Unless you love to be the martyr, get out of the arena. Moronism affects every culture and its inhabitants and is no respecter of persons or the education or money they have. Git 'er done!

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ThreeDogs
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Message 10 of 43 (455954)
02-14-2008 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by obvious Child
02-14-2008 4:15 PM


quote:
There are at least four threads asking creationists to prove their claims of creation and not one has an decent argument or any evidence.
There is no proof for creation, and that is how it is meant to be. Nor is there proof against creation. We'll just have to wait, won't we?

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Rahvin
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Message 11 of 43 (455961)
02-14-2008 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by ramoss
02-14-2008 10:06 AM


Considering there isn't any information a creationist can provide to substantiate their claim without having it demolished for being bad information, then I bet a lot of creationists get banned.
Yeah, they go pretty fast. But the pileup of rebuttals and mockery are highly amusing, and occasionally intellectually stimulating. There are apparently a lot of ways to say the same thing
But then, the stated purpose of that site is not the Evolution vs. Creationism debate. The site owner is a staunch Atheist, and he has a science and morality section on his board. Creationists come to "refute" him, do so clumsily, and are annihilated.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 12 of 43 (455963)
02-14-2008 5:42 PM
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02-14-2008 5:26 PM


Which site?

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LucyTheApe
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Message 13 of 43 (455974)
02-14-2008 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by obvious Child
02-13-2008 10:32 PM


Convincing arguments
Why don't you try using convincing arguments.

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tesla
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Message 14 of 43 (456001)
02-14-2008 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Rahvin
02-14-2008 5:26 PM


But then, the stated purpose of that site is not the Evolution vs. Creationism debate. The site owner is a staunch Atheist, and he has a science and morality section on his board. Creationists come to "refute" him, do so clumsily, and are annihilated.
evolution does not prove God isn't. because God is only Say's that evolution is a "how" of the design.
i like Percy. i wouldn't consider him a staunch atheist, I'd say he is a patient man, requiring data for conclusion. more or less he'd prob say : "i don't know." if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. but that is what i believe from his posts.
I'm a creationist. I'm a christian. (now) but before debating here, i was more like Percy. wanting to believe some things, but requiring data. i had observed data, and tested it here, and found the truth. i found it by asking : what is the truth?
the advice i would give to our poster:
there are ton's of different types of "creationists" the reason why is because of the way they interpret things. don't let a "debate" annoy you. if you have found a dogmatic person who is like arguing with a stone, then agree to disagree. make your point, and leave them to their debate, having said what you can say. this way, you will be less emotionally attached. it is better not to debate to "win" a debate by changing someones mind. when the only winning in a debate is if the truth is known of what is debated, and some good has come of it. (ie: debating a science law, finding the law true, or false, or extending scientific knowledge and discovery from unlikely individuals who know something, but not sure what. and you knowing more in depth can further explore to the value of scientific discovery.)
i wish you all well in the debates at this forum, i hope you look to each debate as a way to work out kinks in science, or if religious, in your religion, that in your hearts you find the truth.
i have enjoyed my time with you here at the EVC, and i will pray for your well being and productive debating
God be with us all, and God's will be done forever, so be it
-Tim Brown

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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obvious Child
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Message 15 of 43 (456005)
02-14-2008 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by New Cat's Eye
02-14-2008 4:28 PM


I've tried mostly everything. Someone even tried slowly reasoning them through it, reminding them of other religions and what definitions actually mean. Obviously that person was ignored.

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