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Topic: How does God make this justice happen?
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Raphael
Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: 09-29-2007
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GIA said: If an unrepentant killer goes to hell forever and an unrepentant killer of a killer goes to hell forever, how then can the punishment that God promises be fulfilled? First things first. Nobody goes to hell forever.Hell isnt evan a place. Its an event.
How can God give punishment seven times forever or seventy times forever? He doesn't. You're not punished forever. Since nobody is punished forever, it must be referring to punishment while living. Or maybe he might just burn a few minutes or hours. Who knows. Raph
Truth is still Truth, Weather One or a Thousand People believe it.
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Raphael
Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: 09-29-2007
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Message 7 of 61 (456104)
02-15-2008 2:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 5 by CK
02-15-2008 7:48 AM
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Re: Can you explain further?
CK writes: I'm not familar with your concept of (the christian) hell - I thought that it was a) a place and b) forever - like iano is explaining above when doing the usual ineffective threats of pain. The popularly accepted version of hell in most of the Portestant and Catholic churches is that it lasts forever. This belief is completely contrary to what the Bible actually teaches. Hell is not a place. Hell does not last forever. The word "Hell" means "complete separation from God". Not "a place where you burn forever and ever because you were such a bad person." This is a lie that the Catholic Church has taught for a very long time, but it needs to be exposed. iano is probably a christian who accepts this teaching, and I don't blame him, but it is not the truth.
Being a particularly inept speller, I'm not one for pointing out others' errors. But as it is in your signature, you may want to replace weather with whether. Thanks CD, I'll correct that immediately. Edited by Raphael, : No reason given.
Truth is still Truth, Weather One or a Thousand People believe it.
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Raphael
Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: 09-29-2007
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If you follow the bible closely then this could be a good thing if your god is the genocidal maniac of the flood. Oh? I guess i see where you're coming from. God is not the God most of Christianity portrays him to be. Rather, an almost completely differnt entity altogether. One of Love and acceptance, not ...pointless punishments...and...refusal of inadequacy. Raph Edited by Raphael, : No reason given.
Truth is still Truth, Whether One or a Thousand People believe it.
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Raphael
Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: 09-29-2007
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Re: The Pied Piper Of Believers
GIA said: So your god shows us how to venerate life by killing it in huge numbers including wicked children and babies. We dont know if there even were babies, but since there probably were, they would just grow up to be sinful, corrupted, hateful disgraces of human beings. I'm sure it pained God's heart to do what He did, and genocide: (-noun. the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.) God was not killing the people BECAUSE they were people, or Jews, or Black, or Mexican, or whatever, he didnt kill them BECAUSE of what they WERE. He did it because of their disregard of His law, the Law of God, and their choice to follow Sin instead of God.
He shows us how good His laws are by breaking them. What are you talking about? What law was he breaking?
God's motivations would be no better than Hitler's in such a case. What a terrible thing to say. There are two distinct differences betwee God and Hitler. One, God is God, the Almighty Creator of the Universe, Hitler was a racist, genocidal maniac. Second, Hitler killed the Jews(and other racial and social outcasts) BECAUSE they were Jews etc, God killed them because they chose the way of death. God didnt create the world to be a Cesspool of Evil. When you build a castle of blocks, its your right, as its creator, if you dont like what you made, you can demolish it and start over, as it is God's right to do whatever He sees fit with His creations.
Strange that you follow such an evil god who cannot even come up with a better option for His victims than making himself look like a genocidal maniac and fool. You cannot accuse God of Sin, Sin and God cannot exist together, and its impossible for God to do anything wrong. Raph
Truth is still Truth, Whether One or a Thousand People believe it.
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Raphael
Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: 09-29-2007
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Re: The Pied Piper Of Believers
GIA said: It is OK for Him to break His own law against killing. There is no law against killing. The Ten Commandments says "Thou Shalt not Murder", not "Thou Shalt Not Kill". The world was a cesspool of Sin, why not erase the painting and redraw it?
Even He admited and repented for His actions. Was He wrong then to repent. I dont remember Him actually repenting. Chapter and Verse please.
Was He wrong to brand His own actions as evil and swear to not hurt man anymore? He didnt brand His actions as evil, because God cannot do evil. He just said He wouldn't do it again.
Let us all justify genocide. God would like this. Its not a justification of genocide, its not even genocide.(reference the defintion) Raph
Truth is still Truth, Whether One or a Thousand People believe it.
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Raphael
Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: 09-29-2007
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Re: The Pied Piper Of Believers
GIA said: Give me a break. You ask for scripture to prove God repented and then agree that He said he would not hurt man anymore. You know exactly where the scriptures are. Look them up if you don’t already have them in mind. I know what scriptures you're talking about but He didnt repent. God cannot sin so there cannot be any repenting. Yes He did say He would never again destroy the earth(I.E.Flood), but thats not repentance, He was just sorry that He had to do it because he loved the creatures, and didnt want to do it again.
If His picture was badly drawn, was it the pictures fault or the artist? If the paint if bad paint, gets crusty really easily and the colors are weak, you throw away the paint and go to the store and buy new paint.A better analogy would be, if, in the near future, mankind developes a way to make an Android with Artificial Intelligence. The robot eventually gets too smart and thinks it doesnt need to obey humans anymore. What do the creators do? Certainly they dont leave it alone so it can cause more harm than good. They destroy it and try to build a better one.
If it was not Genocide then what was it? Crushing the playdough and remaking the snowman. Raph
Truth is still Truth, Whether One or a Thousand People believe it.
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Raphael
Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: 09-29-2007
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Re: The Pied Piper Of Believers
GIA said: Killing humans is a sin. Right? The people chose death instead of the love of God. Its the same in the USA, you cannot murder someone without the concequences(I.E. Death penaty, or life sentance). There are always concequences for our actions, whether we want them or not. The people were warned about the flood by Enoch and Noah for hundreds of years, they were perfectly capable of stopping themselves from sinning, they just chose not to. You cannot call it genocide, or murder if the person(s) disregarded the law, was warned that they would be punished(by death), and givin a chance to stop.
Feeling sorry for an act is repentence. Right? He wasn't sorry that He did it, He was sorry that He had to do it. The bible says God became sorry that He even made humans. Raph
Truth is still Truth, Whether One or a Thousand People believe it.
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Raphael
Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: 09-29-2007
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Re: The Pied Piper Of Believers
GIA said: What happened t God's perfect works? Why would He kill His perfect souls? Perfect works and souls cannot just sudenly turn God's perfection to imperfection. We do not have that kind of power do we? Yes we do. God gave it to us as the freedom of choice. We can choose His love and live, or we can choose sin and death. Simple as that. Raph
Truth is still Truth, Whether One or a Thousand People believe it.
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Raphael
Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: 09-29-2007
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Re: The Pied Piper Of Believers
GIA said: Did God ask the children and babies as well? No. He sent prophets (Enoch and Noah) to warn the people that a flood was coming, and the people rejected the idea. Evidently, they didnt care about their children and babies. It was the foolishness of the parents that led to the death of their children.
Genocide is evil and a sin. If not then let us cheer on God and ask for another. Yes it is. Genocide is a terrible sin, but instead of blaming God for the deaths of all the people who CHOSE to die, blame the author of death, Satan, and the people whose chose his way instead of God's. GIA, to quote what someone said, you type [ qs ](content)[ /qs ] Raph
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Raphael
Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: 09-29-2007
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Re: The Pied Piper Of Believers
GIA said: Well, if the flood was an example of His love then I am glad that Eve made the right choice and chose death over ignorance and a genocidal maniac. Its not an example of His love. Its an example of His intolerance of sin. Lol it wasnt ignorance, it was Love she was rejecting, love and eternal life. And if she hadn't chose death over life, there wouldn't have even been a flood.
Do you know of any other organic life form that does not die? No. Nothing lives forever except through the power of God.
Would you really want to live forever with a body and an empty mind? Your mind wouldn't be empty, it would be as full as ever. All the people who choose life over death wil not by empty minded, their minds will be full of love for, and the love of, Jesus Christ. Raph Edited by Raphael, : No reason given.
Truth is still Truth, Whether One or a Thousand People believe it.
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Raphael
Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: 09-29-2007
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Message 58 of 61 (458910)
03-02-2008 5:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 53 by Taz
03-02-2008 1:18 PM
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Re: The Pied Piper Of Believers
Taz said: This reminds me of Nazi Germany. The foolishness of the Jews to settle and live in central Europe caused millions of their descendants to die in death camps. You are following the typical christian pattern of blaming the victims. No i dont blame the Jews for living in central Europe, and that analogy is irrelevant. You must put blame where blame is due, not somewhere else. Are you saying Satan FORCED them to not care about their lives? Satan FORCED them to disregard the safety of their children? Its not like some guy came to all the Jews 50 years before the holocaust and said "Listen Everyone! In 50 years a man named Adolf Hitler will kill all you and your decendants! Flee now!" Most of the Jews didnt have any warning, unlike the antideluvians who had ample warning. Raph
Truth is still Truth, Whether One or a Thousand People believe it.
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