Hi subbie,
subbie writes:
In another thread, ICANT wrote
I know what evolution is.
I also know what is being preached as evolution.
Probably the number one biggest complaint most of us have about creos is that they in fact don't know what the ToE says, and usually end up arguing against a misunderstanding, rather than the real thing. I assume everyone would agree with me that it's counterproductive to argue against evolution based on what it doesn't say.
I stated: "I know what evolution is".
Simply put evolution is change.
Webster says:
Evolution Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
1: one of a set of prescribed movements
2 a: a process of change in a certain direction :
unfolding b: the action or an instance of forming and giving something off :
emission c (1): a process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more complex, or better state :
growth (2): a process of gradual and relatively peaceful social, political, and economic advance
d: something evolved
3: the process of working out or developing
4 a: the historical development of a biological group (as a race or species) :
phylogeny b: a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations; also : the process described by this theory
5: the extraction of a mathematical root
6: a process in which the whole universe is a progression of interrelated phenomena
I said: "I also know what is being preached as evolution.
Using my definition of evolution what is being preached is:
About 13+ billion years ago there was something about the size of a pea. It was very, very, very hot. It was very compact as it contained everything you see in the universe and everything you cannot see.
We can not say anything about the origin of that pea sized universe as GR breaks down at this point and Science can not tell us anything about it. Where it came from, how it formed if it came from something that had existed before, or if it came from an absence of anything.
This universe began to expand and from this time forward we have a theory that explains the changes that took place. the Big Bang Theory.
About 4.5 billion years ago the earth was formed, and it was very, very hot. It cooled to the point that life appeared from the absence of anything. Now the TOE explains how all life came from this single cell life form. We do not attempt to find out how it formed we just believe it happened.
This single cell lifeform began to change and formed multi cell lifeforms. These multi cell lifeform changed enough over time to produce every living and extinct lifeform that has ever existed on earth and exist today.
Don't ask us to produce proof of anything, because in Science nothing is a proven fact, even though we believe it. Don't ask us for evidence, we will show you what little we have then blow all kinds of smoke to fill in the millions of years between what we can present. Besides we know what we are talking about so you should just accept what we say.
Now I have sat in the pew of your church for over a year and I have listened to many messages from many different preachers and this is the message I hear preached about evolution.
So you can jump up and down and scream and shout no, no, no, all you want. That is not going to change my mind about what I see being preached.
If you want to change my mind I suggest you do as admin has tried to tell us over the last few weeks. Cut out the bickering, personal attacks, arguing and get to debating the evidence that is available concerning evolution.
I think it is a cop out when evolutionist say we only want to debate Biological evolution.
It is all evolutiion from that small pea sized universe.
subbie writes:
In any event, please tell me what you think the ToE is.
A creationist is supposed to tell an evolutionist what the ToE is when evolutionist can't agree on what it is. There is a 216 message thread here: http://
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EvC Forum: The Definition for the Theory of EvolutionA 121 message Great Debate here: http://
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subbie's definition:
quote:
Populations change over time, mostly due to selective pressures to which the populations are subject, which enable those offspring better adapted to the environment to reproduce at a higher rate than those which are not. This change occurs because those organisms that are better adapted tend to pass on more of their genetic make up to the next generation.
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This is a definition of Biogenesis.
RAZD http://
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EvC Forum: The Definition for the Theory of Evolutionquote:
Evolution is the (hereditary) change in species over time.
This is the definition of Biogenesis.
Biogenesis Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Websterbiogenesis:
1 : the development of life from preexisting life
2 : the synthesis of chemical compounds or structures in the living organism
My definition:
The Theory of Evolution is a change over time where all living things came from a pea sized universe that expanded into what we see and what we do not see today. The Big Band Theory tries to explain what happened in the material universe from T=O+ until present. The Theory of Abiogenesis tries to explain how life came into being on a lifeless planet. Once this life appeared the Theory of Biogenesis tries to explain how all living lifeforms extinct and living today came from this first or many life cells.
The beginning (origin) of the universe is a fairy tale.
The beginning (origin of life) is a fairy tale.
Remember you asked for my definition of the ToE this is it and I don't expect you to like it. But it is what it is.
God Bless,
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