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Andya Primanda
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Message 1 of 7 (88493)
02-25-2004 1:51 AM


After receiving some 'fossils are either fake or fragmentary therefore not evidence of evolution' from some brainwashed highschool kids, I feel the need to get a book that could show them images of the transitional fossils. Any suggestions? Please don't point out the talkorigins Transitional Forms FAQ, it has no pictures.

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Sylas
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Message 2 of 7 (88542)
02-25-2004 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Andya Primanda
02-25-2004 1:51 AM


Andya Primanda writes:
After receiving some 'fossils are either fake or fragmentary therefore not evidence of evolution' from some brainwashed highschool kids, I feel the need to get a book that could show them images of the transitional fossils. Any suggestions? Please don't point out the talkorigins Transitional Forms FAQ, it has no pictures.
Not a book; but since you mention the talkorigins archive...
For high school students, there is likely to be a special interest in hominids. The talkorigins fossil hominids pages do have some good images you may find helpful. Many of them are images for which Jim has requested and received permission to use in the FAQ.
Cheers -- Sylas

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Andya Primanda
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Message 3 of 7 (88728)
02-26-2004 1:46 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Sylas
02-25-2004 9:24 AM


Thanks, Chris, erm I mean Sylas. For hominids, I know the best book with fossil pictures--Lucy to Language. (And it's so damn expensive ) What I'm looking for is a book/books with pictures of transitional fossils from other lineages, like reptile--bird, evolution of various dinosaur lineages, mammals, elephants, fish--tetrapod, and such.
Do you think that there is such a book? If not, maybe somebody will get interested and contact a publishing company... FYI the brainwasher material at my place is Harun Yahya's works, and being an art scholar his works are aesthetically superior. Does not help the content though.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 4 of 7 (89716)
03-02-2004 2:36 AM
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02-25-2004 9:24 AM


...nobody's responding.
Okay. I'll tone down the request.
Where can I find good pictures (NOT illustrations) of transitional fossils? Pictures that look good on printed material. If there has not been such a book, then at least I would construct a makeshift one, for a quick reference material.

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Sylas
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Message 5 of 7 (89720)
03-02-2004 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Andya Primanda
03-02-2004 2:36 AM


Sorry; I engaged previously but then did not respond further. I don't know a good book from the top of my head, but I expect I would be able to find one by the simple expedient of wandering into a library or two and having a look on the shelves. I can't offer a shortcut over that approach.
Cheers -- Sylas

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Darwin's Terrier
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Message 6 of 7 (89738)
03-02-2004 6:58 AM


The problem is that illustrations are generally much more use than pictures, with the possible exception of hominid skulls. Most fossils look like chunks of rock; you need to be pretty well trained to know what you’re looking at, whereas an illustration will show you the key stuff straight away -- the illustrator (hopefully) has left out the extraneous stuff that’s just a distraction to the inexpert eye.
Here, for instance, is quite a clear fossil...
...see what I mean? Let alone realising the significance of something like this:
So I’d say stick to hominids. Most non-human-ish fossils are too alien for us to make sense of them in an at-a-glance, compare-one-to-another way. There are plenty of books with good pics: Tattersall & Schwartz’s Extinct Humans springs to mind.
But if you do want non-hominids, you might try the Palaeos site (tons of good stuff there), and the Devonian Times has lots of pics as well as illustrations.
Cheers, DT

  
DogToDolphin
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Message 7 of 7 (456387)
02-17-2008 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Andya Primanda
02-25-2004 1:51 AM


I ordered (I haven't received it yet) that book on Amazon.com :
About invertebrates/vertebrates:
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-What-Fossils-Say-Matters/dp/0231139624/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203285781&sr=8-1
About insects:
Amazon.com
About plants:
Amazon.com
Hope it helps. I have not received those items yet so I can't tell you what to expect. I hope some great photographies and illustrations.

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