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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
How does God make this justice happen?
Genesis 4:15And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. Genesis 4:24If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold. If an unrepentant killer goes to hell forever and an unrepentant killer of a killer goes to hell forever, how then can the punishment that God promises be fulfilled? How can God give punishment seven times forever or seventy times forever? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Raphael
You wrote"Hell" means "complete separation from God". If you follow the bible closely then this could be a good thing if your god is the genocidal maniac of the flood. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Phat
I am more of the old Gnostic persuasion.I believe that all of us have a direct access to God and do not need a hybrid Jesus/God to interfere with our direct access. If Jesus is God then how can He say that we have to go through Him to get to God. Sounds stupid does it not? As to all the supernatural mumbo jumbo.God has a hard enough time showing us His philosophy without having snakes, fish, angels and demons cluttering up reality and speaking to us. If God wanted us to believe in such miracles then He would have left an irrefutable one for us to ponder. Wouldn’t you if you had the power? I think anyone would for the proof that so many search for. You wrote“You will never get a group of people...particularly believers...to be able to prove God to you.” You are correct here. There is only one proof and those that seek will find it. Ask and it shall be given, comes to mind.I asked the right way and I have received. God is real but most Christians and others have no clue to His perfection and do not allow Him this fundamental characteristic. They believe in a limited God where He has no limits. You wrote“As the pied piper, where are you attempting to lead us with your Q & A topics? I wish to lead people to the recognition that God works in a logical way and that those who come out of Genesis believing in talking snakes will never understand God’s logic.Eve and Adam were not cast out of the garden. They leapt to a higher perfection and provided man with a history. You wrote“1) Is it possible that God exists and is independent of human understanding and comprehension?” God exists and if we are in His image, and we are, then all that He knows we can understand. He tells us this in Genesis. To be as Gods, knowing good and evil.It is His desire to teach us. No mysteries allowed as lazy minded fundamentalists think. You wrote“ 2) Can you see how there are some things in this universe that human wisdom and understanding cannot comprehend?” No. Give me an example of what we cannot comprehend. You wrote“ 3) Having known these things, why do you keep picking on believers as if they were lab rats? I for one will not attempt to logically define God for in so doing, I limit my understanding of Him. It is not good for my belief.” I do not (know these things) the way you do. If you cannot logically define God then how can anyone believe your illogical position. It is dumb to try to sell an illogical idea.As to the Christian rats, I try to convert them to a God that is a winner and perfect. Not the loser that the Bible portrays. A God that cannot get out of Heaven without flaws and evil. A God that brings this evil to earth and pits it against an innocent Eve. A God that has failed mankind and instead of killing only two in the beginning waits for millions to be on earth and then kills all but eight in a genocidal flood all in the name of Love. He is not the genocidal maniac that the Bible shows. I want people to recognize this. Pray with me for success. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
willietdog
You wrote“Jesus never said that we have to go through him to get to God. "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Light. No one comes to the FATHER except through me." You were doing so well then the above contradicts itself. You wrote“realizes his mistake” God does not make mistakes. That is a human trait. You wrote“The God of the Bible is not portrayed as a loser.” I beg to differ.He could not get out of heaven without creating an evil entity called Satan. He could not get us started properly with Adam and eve becoming evil thus casting them out. He could only find 8 good souls and sent a flood killing millions including innocent children and babies. What happened to hate sin and love sinners. He killed all those sinners that He loved.Strange indeed. He does look like a loser. You wrote“ God did not introduce Satan into the world, Satan came in, God simply allowed him to come” To allow Satan in is to introduce him to earth.You indicate that God was wrong in His expectation. He failed yet again. You wrote“because he loved us. “ Killing us is a strange way to show love.Please do not love those around you. A strange war cry indeed. I love you so die. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Not what a God should or would do.
There is no justification for genocide. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
So your god shows us how to venerate life by killing it in huge numbers including wicked children and babies.
He shows us how good His laws are by breaking them. God's motivations would be no better than Hitler's in such a case. Strange that you follow such an evil god who cannot even come up with a better option for His victims than making himself look like a genocidal maniac and fool. Enjoy your foolish inept god. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
So when God kills us it is not wrong.
It is OK for Him to break His own law against killing. Even He admited and repented for His actions. Was He wrong then to repent. Was He wrong to brand His own actions as evil and swear to not hurt man anymore? Let us all justify genocide. God would like this. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Give me a break. You ask for scripture to prove God repented and then agree that He said he would not hurt man anymore. You know exactly where the scriptures are. Look them up if you don’t already have them in mind.
If His picture was badly drawn, was it the pictures fault or the artist? If it was not Genocide then what was it? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
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"if God has a rejection in its body, that poisons his body, so also does he have the right to cut it out, that good will be preserved, that he will continue to exist." Why would God, the master of all, place a rejection in His body in the first place? Why create something that He does not want? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
You wrote
"I know what scriptures you're talking about but He didnt repent. God cannot sin so there cannot be any repenting. Yes He did say He would never again destroy the earth(I.E.Flood), but thats not repentance, He was just sorry that He had to do it because he loved the creatures, and didnt want to do it again." Killing humans is a sin. Right? Feeling sorry for an act is repentence. Right? If not then give your definitions of each term. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Interesting speculation but it does not answer the question of why God would punish the killer of a killer with more than He would punish the first killer Hinself.
Showing veneration for life is one thing. Not appliying justice to the first killer is another. It is not justice to let a killer go without some punishment. Here God just lets him go free. A strange situation that I am trying to glean policy from. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
You make it sound like God made an error in judjement. Impossible for a God I should think. Especiaslly with this--
Deuteronomy 32:4He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. What happened t God's perfect works? Why would He kill His perfect souls? Perfect works and souls cannot just sudenly turn God's perfection to imperfection. We do not have that kind of power do we? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Never.
Ask any that have had a loved one murdered if no punishment is justice. If you get agreement then I might consider reevaluating my position. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
You wrote
"The people chose death instead of the love of God. " Did God ask the children and babies as well? Genocide is evil and a sin. If not then let us cheer on God and ask for another. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Speaking of Oklahoma. Did you not enjoy the justice given to your famous bombers or do you think they should have walked freely from their crime?
RegardsDL
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