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Author Topic:   Moral sense comes from the knowledge of good and evil. Would you give it up?
iano
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Message 3 of 14 (456817)
02-20-2008 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
02-19-2008 10:08 AM


GreatestIam writes:

The Church still prizes the Moral Sense as man's noblest asset today, although the Church knows God had a distinctly poor opinion of it and did what he could in his clumsy way to keep his happy Children of the Garden from acquiring it.

Knowledge of good and evil is another name for conscience. It is a tool used by God in the attempt to save men from his wrath. And a tool used to ensure that lost men can be justly exposed to the fury of Gods wrath. A double edged sword thus. It is not prized as the noblest asset for the simple reason of it's being double edged

If God had intended that his children not eat of the fruit then the simplest thing to do would have been to omit planting that tree there in the first place.

God, in providing Adam with this fruit of choice, also ensured that what a-moral Adam ingested would provide the means whereby all (of his now sinful) offspring would offered Adams choice.

Choose for God: yes of no.


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iano
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 5 of 14 (456832)
02-20-2008 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by LinearAq
02-20-2008 10:38 AM


Not a bad score
What church "knows" this?

7/10 ....There will be some who do, no doubt..
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God did almost nothing to keep His happy Children of the Garden from acquiring it.

8/10 ....Which is a way of saying that he did do something.
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All He had to do was not provide the option of eating from the tree by not providing the tree.

6/10 ....True, but I've marked you down for not carrying on the the obvious conclusion (no option = no choice = no way to exercise any free will
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You think God didn't know what was going to happen when He put the tree and man together?

10/10 ...Spoken like a Christian!
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Besides, it was free will that allowed man to "sin" and eat from the tree.

10/10 ...Masterful!
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Adam and Eve just didn't know it was wrong to do so until after they ate.

10/10 ...right on the money - they were consequential creatures only. Not moral creatures

Average score = 8.5.

Well done AQ

:)

Edited by iano, : No reason given.


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iano
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Message 8 of 14 (456847)
02-20-2008 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Greatest I am
02-20-2008 11:21 AM


Conscience: the double edged sword
gia writes:

So God wanted man to have conscience.

No. God wanted Adam to have a choice. I don't think even God could provide a choice which couldn't be chosen - irrespective of what God would want Adam to have done

Why then does scripture show God punishing man for reaching for it?

God promised death for disobedience. God keeps his promises.

If this is not our best asset then what is?

Our best/worst asset. It's a tool of God applied to each and every man that will result in each and every man being saved or condemned.

It's a double edged sword.


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iano
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Message 10 of 14 (456939)
02-20-2008 7:42 PM
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02-20-2008 12:14 PM


Re: Conscience: the double edged sword
gia writes:

And you said that was conciounce which you said God wanted us to have.

And I said what was conscience?

I didn't say God wanted us to have conscience. At least I don't remember saying such a thing

Are you on a mery go round or is logic just beyond you?

Neither.

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