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DogToDolphin
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Message 1 of 41 (456401)
02-17-2008 6:49 PM


Hi,
I am interested (I am sure others too), to know about your spiritual or paranormal experiences.
I already told mine on one topic let me repost it here:
I became a Christian at 16 years old, the experience I had is commonly called born-again - it is the conversion that makes you a follower of Christ, and puts you directly into a real relationship with God - I am French and I had never heard of the born-again experience before that.
I knew there was a God who created the Earth and the first living organisms, but i really didn't care about the way He did it, whether it was using the Neo-Darwinian evolution or not, it was not an issue because I knew we would never know.
That experience completely changed my life and it opened my eyes literally (my vision was clearer), and it confirmed to me that Jesus was indeed the saviour of my soul, and that God indeed existed, and that he totally forgave my sins.
I cannot prove that to you, I am not lying, it just happened over night and every Christians have experienced it (I thought I was a Christian before that conversion, but I was wrong, I was only believing that there must be something true about all that God/Jesus/Love/Sin stuff).
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This is not a debate between creation/evolution, so please just post your experiences.

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Message 3 of 41 (456416)
02-17-2008 9:31 PM
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its difficult to explain some things. this will be a long post most likely. ok..well..here goes..
when i was a teen, i lived in a fairly rural area next to a small state park. behind the house i lived in was a large hill in a fenced field, and a small grove of trees at its top had a small unkempt family graveyard. i would go their at times to think and reflect. i had been to churches and such, had been in school studying science's and other religions, and was full of doubt. i looked to the sky, looked at the graves, looked around, and realized that something could not come from nothing. that something was first. that the something either didn't care about this world, or no one was listening, or..or i didn't know. but i called anyways saying : i know something is there. but i don't know the truth. how can i know which religion is true? how can i know it comes from you, and not man?
a lot happened along the way of my searching. but i had never found conclusion until recently. i was a searcher. and the truth found me.
here are some of the events, which can be dismissed as chance, but always left me to wonder:
when i was a teen, and working at a kfc, i had been lonely, and said : Lord, if you are there; (who is the God i wasn't sure of which religion, but was leaning towards Christianity, but still had doubts and conflicts and searching for truth) i am lonely, could you send to me a companion, even if it be a dog?
at the kfc that night when i went to work, someone was giving away a full blooded collie pup with a malformed foot. i accepted it. and the Dog later on, would be the "best man" at my wedding, by accompanying my wife from the front steps of the house to the place between to large evergreen ceders of where i stood. the dog was definitely a good companion. oddly, i named him Ozzy Osbourn. (he's been dead for years now of course.)
another instance, i had went to find my biological father, who was in Florida. i was still a wild teen , had been through some bouts with drugs and alcohol, and was just going where the wind takes me. my biological father was a christian. but i still wasn't convinced. i had many doubts. many unanswered questions that had to be resolved.
while i was there, i had walked into his living room. a lone TV was playing the newest metallica video for that time, which was "until it sleeps" i had enjoyed and loved a lot of metallica's works until that CD. as i watched the video and the snake man thing curled and then flashed between the snake and a crucifiction scene i wondered aloud: huh. i wonder what God thinks of that. the screen of the TV mmediately went black after i had finished speaking. there wasn't a cloud in the sky, and it was a beautiful Florida day. so i went out to the back dock to check a crab trap. later that evening my dad had said that the TV repair shop reported that the TV had been struck by lightning. i could only wonder at the significance. but I'm a stubborn type. not because i want to be, but because i refuse to accept what i cannot understand as truth, to be the truth.
later on in years i met my wife only a few months after asking in the same manner as i did as a child for a true companion, since i pretty much just had whatever woman i was attracted to that i could get into bed, and it was always a game. a understood lust acceptance and nothing more. my wife cared about me. not just my body, but me. and what i thought was going to be no different than all the other girls i had been with, was different. and i fell in love. and its been good. its been real, complicated at times, fun many times, pain sometimes. but thats relationships. if your honest with each other, it can sometimes be unpleasant, but also pleasant , because your real with each other. shes a good match for me.
my conversion is very difficult to explain. a few years ago i had been contemplating and wrote what i call "the law of existence". i had shown it around some, but no real reviews. mostly i dunno's or just being skim read and dismissed. i sent out e-mails to some scientists with it, sent it to the science papers, and even a publisher. no replies back. so i just let it sit and went on about my way. when i was asked by a nephew if i thought the world was going to end in 2012, i knew it was a reference to the Aztec calender, but i wasn't sure why it would be on his mind or others to bring it to his attention. the fact that pyramids and the old cultures had the connection of this date was curios to me, and not one to be dismissed in my mind that there was a common relation. so i went to search for the source. exploring old texts and such, i found this site while i was looking and remembered the law of existence. so i threw it out there and the debate was difficult to start..but eventually was started under a misleading topic, because i had already angered many members, including the admins.
during the argument, i had a war in myself. a part that believed, and a part that was just a question. through the course of the argument i realized what i was saying. what they were saying., and i knew God was. not maybe was, not could be, but was. and was real. and that we are like a cell in a body, like cells are in our bodies, and the cell doesn't know your brain, but the cell is a part of your body, with a specific task. and that some cells were sick. and medicine was shot into the body to help the sick cells, but some cells would reject the medicine, and be rejected by the body and die. God came to me when i realized how faith works. but also came another.
it was difficult for my mind to accept. on one side a voice cried for me to do things of myself proclaiming i was God, another voice was asking me things. i heard it ask me do i believe? i felt its pull and that it loved me, yet the other voice was screaming at me. telling me the other voice was frail because of it only being by faith, that the doubt it has allowed live in its body had defiled it. that all that is will cease to exist. there were many other battles, and i could hardly focus on daily tasks, but my heart could not accept the doubt and the lies, but instead kept seeking the truth. that voice of love who came to me. the voice i came to love and fear. the voice i now serve. he is with me always, but not too close as the first time of the war in me, many truths were explained to me, and the work of any good i truly do does not come from me, but from him who works through me. and that glory belongs to God, not man. that i am no better than the worst of other men. the way he talks through me is liken to how a psychic describes paranormal activity. but i know nothing is really "paranormal" now. like nothing is truly supernatural. all things are normal and natural to the one it has all come from. its only that way for those who don't understand. like a magician flying across a room. it appears supernatural, but upon inspection, you see it is normal.
there is another post where i explained the phenomenon better perhaps, it was a post started by larni, concerning the psychology of "watchers" or "judges" that people would try to appease in their minds eye.
many of these things i say here now, i have said before in other posts. but these i say again for you D2D.
i continue to grow in the truth, and to do as God wills of me. for i see many things clearer now. but not all things. i am still a man. and the marriage is soon, but not yet. not yet.
Edited by tesla, : added "to"

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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ChristianJuggalo 
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Message 4 of 41 (457376)
02-23-2008 12:06 AM


Well, I became a Christian at 12 years old ( I wasn't fully aware of what it was all about)
I was over at a friends house on the day I was supposed to sit with the Pastor and accept Christ (that was a few days before the actual baptism) My brother at the time, was with the Pastor and accepted Christ. For some reason, when I was at my friends house, I had a really bad feeling of guilt. I was supposed to go to Church that day but, decided to go to my friends. The whole time I was their, I felt scared and uneasy. I thought to myself, should I have gone to Church today? And my friend said, weren't you supposed to go to Church today for something? I said yes, then he said, what are you doing here then? I said I don't know.
The next day, my parents picked me up to go to Church. As soon as I left my friends house, I felt a little better. Later that night I went to Church to accept Christ as my Lord and Savior. When I sat down with the Pastor and he started talking I felt like everything was okay (I get nervous around people I don't know) He asked me to pray with him, and right when he said "I come to you today Lord", and I repeated that, I just broke down like never before (I cried like a baby) I finally finished the prayer to accept Christ. The thing is, I rarely cry, only when I was a baby and when my grandmother died. After that, I cried for about a half an hour (but I wasn't crying because I was sad) I felt like my life was a lot better after that.
The next day, my brother and I got baptised. My brother even confessed that he cried. (I've never seen my brother cry) I got into my baptism clothes and waited to get baptised. My brother went first and when the pastor pulled him out I felt a weird presence that I can't explain. He seemed different too. The it was my turn. I go up and (I'm scared of water because, I can't swim) I wasn't scared. I went under and the few seconds I was under, I said to myself, I love you God. I came back up and my life from that point changed.
Years went by and I still didn't fully understand God. It was just months ago that my family and I started to go to Church. I wanted to know exactly what the Holy Spirit was. I just wanted someone to explain it to me. Then we went to Church a day or so after I thought that and they discussed the Holy Spirit. That was weird.
I also had many mental problems and I was worrying about school and relationships and money. Then I went to Church that week and the minister discussed how to deal with problems in life through Christ. I took his advice and I am doing a lot better now. I'm still amazed.
Also, one thing that amazes me, is my birth. My parents didn't even plan on having me. After my mom had her second kid (my brother), she went to the doctors to have her tubes tied. They tied off one part correctly then they thought they tied off the other one correctly. They double checked to make sure they did it right and they didn't see anything wrong.
Then five years went by and my mom told my dad that she was pregnant, and he just laughed and when he found out, he was shocked. That's not the only thing, when I was born, I was born with a rare case of "Lymphangioma" A type of tumor or water sack. It amazed the doctors and only one knew how to handle the problem. They had to put me in intensive care for hours afterwords and didn't know if I would make it or not. They said I could barely breathe. They had to treat my breathing and the lymphangioma in a matter of hours. They finally got my heart beating at normal speed and my breathing was noraml. Then they had to treat the lymphangioma. It took hours to cut it off and fix my side.
The thing is, it was on my side and 75% of the time it occurs in the head or neck. I was lucky.
I thank God when I can, that he gave me the chance to live. If it wasn't for God sending that doctor there (who was the only one who knew what to do with my condition) I would have been dead.

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17
If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?

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Message 5 of 41 (457430)
02-23-2008 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by ChristianJuggalo
02-23-2008 12:06 AM


Also, one thing that amazes me, is my birth. My parents didn't even plan on having me. After my mom had her second kid (my brother), she went to the doctors to have her tubes tied. They tied off one part correctly then they thought they tied off the other one correctly. They double checked to make sure they did it right and they didn't see anything wrong.
Then five years went by and my mom told my dad that she was pregnant, and he just laughed and when he found out, he was shocked. That's not the only thing, when I was born, I was born with a rare case of "Lymphangioma" A type of tumor or water sack. It amazed the doctors and only one knew how to handle the problem. They had to put me in intensive care for hours afterwords and didn't know if I would make it or not. They said I could barely breathe. They had to treat my breathing and the lymphangioma in a matter of hours. They finally got my heart beating at normal speed and my breathing was noraml. Then they had to treat the lymphangioma. It took hours to cut it off and fix my side.
The thing is, it was on my side and 75% of the time it occurs in the head or neck. I was lucky.
It's not that amazing when you consider how many people aren't telling that story.

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Message 6 of 41 (457472)
02-23-2008 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by tesla
02-17-2008 9:31 PM


the screen of the TV mmediately went black after i had finished speaking. there wasn't a cloud in the sky, and it was a beautiful Florida day. so i went out to the back dock to check a crab trap. later that evening my dad had said that the TV repair shop reported that the TV had been struck by lightning. i could only wonder at the significance.
The lesson that you should have learned is to never allow a tv repair man to be the source of any convictions regarding religious experiences. The man was an idiot.

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Message 7 of 41 (457476)
02-23-2008 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Dr Adequate
02-23-2008 1:33 PM


It's not that amazing when you consider how many people aren't telling that story.
What do you mean, Dr Adequate? To me it's amazing because, my parents didn't even want another child and I came along years later. So I'm confused about what you're saying. It might not be that amazing to you, but to me, it is.
What I'm getting from your statement is that, it's not amazing that no one but me has a story like this? If I'm the only one that this has happened to, then how is it not amazing?

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17
If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?

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Message 8 of 41 (457485)
02-23-2008 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by ChristianJuggalo
02-23-2008 5:58 PM


Re: It's not that amazing when you consider how many people aren't telling that story
What I'm getting from your statement is that, it's not amazing that no one but me has a story like this? If I'm the only one that this has happened to, then how is it not amazing?
If I may, Dr.A:
CJ, the point I believe Dr.A was trying to make is, there are so many children born every day who didn't/don't have your "luck." They didn't have your very knowledgeable doctor or any doctor at all or were beyond a doctor's ability to help. Does your God love them less? Does your God not want them to live or have a purpose for them? Or does their suffering indicate that there really is no God watching out for us just like you want to believe that your "miracles" can be attributed to the Christian God.
Some babies are born only to die in a few days/weeks/months/years after spending their entire lives in horrific pain. What does that mean?
If the presence of miracles indicates some deity to you, then shouldn't the unspeakable suffering of others indicate said deity's absence?
To summarize the point, for every "miracle" there is a tragedy. Dr.A was simply calling upon you to explain your "miracle" in the light of the millions of tragedies that happen every day. The people who didn't get to tell a story like yours.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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Message 9 of 41 (457491)
02-23-2008 7:11 PM


Well I can't explain why babies die. But, when they do (I believe) they go to Heaven because the bible says that children are innocent.
God loves everyone equal. He doesn't choose to love someone more than another. God wants everyone to live for a purpose and to me that purpose is to worship Jesus. We all die right? We all die at different times and ages right? I believe we are taken when it is our time. For those babies that don't or didn't make it, I guess it was their time.
Just because something horrific happens, it doesn't make me believe God isn't their.
Think about this. If God were to save everyone from death, then why would he have created an afterlife? What I'm getting from you is that, you want to know why God doesn't save everyone from dieing? Well, I can't explain that. I just believe that everyone goes at the time they go. I can't explain why God helps some and not others. But, me not being able to answer that question doesn't interfere with my faith in God.
I reall don't have a good answer for that question.
Okay then how do you explain miracles that have happened to people?

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17
If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?

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Message 10 of 41 (457503)
02-23-2008 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by ChristianJuggalo
02-23-2008 7:11 PM


Could you please please please start using the word "there" instead of "their" when referring to someone's presence or a place?
Could you please please please start using this
reply button instead of this
general reply button so we could keep track of who you're talking to?

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Message 11 of 41 (457505)
02-23-2008 8:18 PM
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02-23-2008 8:09 PM


Could you please please please start using the word "there" instead of "their"
Sure Taz. I just start typing and don't really think about it sometimes. Also, I still don't understand exactly how to use the reply thing to put a quote in my statement. I know where it is, I just don't know what to do after that.
Edited by ChristianJuggalo, : Mispelled word.

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17
If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?

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Message 12 of 41 (457507)
02-23-2008 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ChristianJuggalo
02-23-2008 8:18 PM


Re: Could you please please please start using the word "there" instead of "their"
ChristianJuggalo writes:
Sure Taz. I just start typing and don't really think about it sometimes. Also, I still don't understand exactly how to use the reply thing to put a quote in my statement. I know where it is, I just don't know what to do after that.
Press on this
button to see how I put your words in the quote box.
It's something you will have to do manually.
Added by edit.
Um, the button you need to press is located at the bottom right hand corner of this post.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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Message 13 of 41 (457508)
02-23-2008 8:37 PM
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02-23-2008 8:29 PM


Re: Could you please please please start using the word "there" instead of "their"
I hope this worked. I am not that smart when it comes to computers.

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17
If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?

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Message 14 of 41 (457509)
02-23-2008 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ChristianJuggalo
02-23-2008 8:18 PM


Quoting and other formating
I still don't understand exactly how to use the reply thing to put a quote in my statement.
There is no "Reply with quote" button available at this forum. There used to be one - We discovered that it led to all kinds of problems and very little good. Bottom line - You have to do quote boxes manually.
When you have a text entry box open (either a new message or an edit) there are several things to the left of the box. The most significant is the dBCode On (help). Click on that help and you will get handy formatting information.
Probably even easier is using the "peek" button found at the bottom of all messages. See a message that contains some formating you want to learn about? Click on "peek" for that message and a new window/tab will open, that displays the "raw text" of the message. In other words, it will show you exactly what was entered to get the finished product.
Also, I encourage all to use the "Preview" button before submitting your reply. That will get you a preview of the posted form of the message which will highlight any dBCoding errors. Just don't forget to click "Submit Reply" before closing the tab/window. If you do forget, sometimes you can save yourself by using your browsers "back" button. In the current version of the Firefox browser, there is a "recently closed tabs" option in the "History" menu. If you close a tab too early you can get it back by using that feature. If you close a Firefox window, however, you're still pretty much screwed.
Bottom bottom line - I strongly recommend using the Firefox browser.
Please, no replies to this message.
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Message 15 of 41 (457518)
02-23-2008 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by ChristianJuggalo
02-23-2008 5:58 PM


Re: It's not that amazing when you consider how many people aren't telling that story.
My point is that you were, as you say, lucky. Being lucky does not count as a paranormal experience.
A thousand men run across a minefield. Ten make it through. Should each of them shout: "It's a miracle! What are the odds that I made it through?" or should they say: "Evidently, the odds of any man making it through were 1 in 100"?
One thing is clear: not one of the 990 dead will sit up and say: "Actually, I'm not sure that God was guiding my steps."

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