iano writes:
Dr Adequate writes:
And if it is pointed out to you that "materialists" do not "simply suppose that what they perceive as reality is reality"
That is exactly what they do. And once they do, they set about pointing to things they suppose to be real in order to demonstrate the reality (they suppose to be real) is real.
But, materialists have to subject their perceptions to testing. Theists do not. A person is allowed to hold whatever beliefs he/she/it wishes, and doesn't have to subject them to
anyone's perception of reality. Not even their own.
Materialists have to abandon their beliefs when their worldview (materialism) works against them. Supernaturalists can just ignore whatever evidence they want.
iano writes:
Dr A writes:
..."he does it too" is not a justification for sloppy thinking, what's your second-best excuse?
I don't need one. The objection has been driven to stalemate.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Materialists provide at least some kind of evidence to support their views. You don't.
Materialists can't drive objections to stalemate: we have to work it to its conclusion. In fact, that's part of the reason why we have debates. We're not trying to "disprove beliefs" (as this forum asks) but are trying to find the truth by debating each other's observations.
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Nobody Important (just Bluejay)
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