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Author Topic:   Why try to disprove people's beliefs?
Otto Tellick
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Message 27 of 72 (457622)
02-24-2008 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by iano
02-24-2008 4:56 AM


iano writes:
The materialist starts out like anyone else. They assume their perception of reality is real. For example, they presume those around them are real. They presume the scientific instruments they use to verify things about reality are real.
This base assumption, "what I perceive to be real is real" is not testable. Which renders all "tests" connected to it assumed too.
Remember that I am merely responding to the "how do you know it's God and not Shiva?" objection. My answer is that I assume my perception of reality is an accurate one. Not testable perhaps but hey! aren't we all in the same boat?
So, perhaps it is impertinent of me to ask for some more "personal" detail on this, but am I correct to assume that you are talking here about something like the Hindu concept of "maya" -- that all physical sensation is illusion, that our eyes, ears, nose, tongue, skin and internal organs including the brain (which are themselves all illusory, obviously) are merely purveyors of insubstantial and irrelevant perceptions, that there is no tenable definition, in terms of anything physical, for the concept of "reality"?
Yeah, that's clearly the maximally astute/unassailable/satisfying perspective -- bravo! But then, why are you sitting at a keyboard in front of a monitor? Or are you? Okay, maybe you aren't -- in any case, I guess we should all be grateful that you could take time out from your normal schedule of fasting in the wilderness and staring directly at the sun all day. You do that too, don't you? It's the only sensible activity to go along with this sort of world view. (LOL! -- I mean, if pure solipsism is the game, let's really have some fun with that, eh? Play it to the hilt, dude!)

autotelic adj. (of an entity or event) having within itself the purpose of its existence or happening.

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Otto Tellick
Member (Idle past 2331 days)
Posts: 288
From: PA, USA
Joined: 02-17-2008


Message 29 of 72 (457625)
02-24-2008 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by iano
02-24-2008 2:31 PM


iano writes:
The aim of huffing and puffing is to blow the house down Otto.
I hear ya, iano, and I get it. But wait... what house? The house is an illusion, ain't it?
And all the money spent on keeping it warm all year -- total illusion. (I never even see that money! If only the tax collectors would believe me, but wouldn't you know, they're not in the same reality as me! What can a devout solipsist do?)
back atcha.

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