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pelican
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Message 146 of 161 (457580)
02-24-2008 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Jaderis
02-24-2008 7:10 AM


Re: Emotional energy v physical reaction
The only reason I know that I feel hate towards someone is because of the physical reaction I get.
my body actually has a reaction (and cannot often be expressed in words).
It is exactly this reaction that cannot be described in words that I am referring to. When I have this physical reaction I can name it anything I want but in truth, it is a sensation.

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pelican
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Message 150 of 161 (457588)
02-24-2008 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Jaderis
02-24-2008 9:00 AM


Re: Knowable spirituality
Why will it only concern the human race?
What is so special about us?
When will we all know it?
Because we have a consciousness.
Because we have a consciousness.
Not a clue because it depends on the individual. I believe some already know it and it has a ripple effect on the mass consciousness. We are far more connected than just physically and I am not speaking of anything supernatural, just natural that is super.
Take our imaginations as one example. Look at the creations from the collective imaginations. Is it possible that we can create from more than just the mind? Is our consciousness contained in only the mind? Is it possible that we create from pain, desire, hate, love, empathy, rejection, unworthiness etc.?
I know I have for sure.

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pelican
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Message 152 of 161 (457591)
02-24-2008 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Jaderis
02-24-2008 8:26 AM


Re: Knowable spirituality
Um..the what? How is that different from the "supernatural?"
Can you quantify the "natural" part of a person and then say that they have gone "super?"
Supernatural implies aliens and ghosts and telepathy and speaking with the dead. Things of that nature which take us away from the reality of humanity.
The only example at this point I can think of that is a super natural normal visible aspect of humanity is genius.
People have a problem with attributing their intelligence or their talent or their sense to themselves or sometimes even to their family or community. They instead attribute it to some invisible deity. They do not think highly of themselves (or those who have helped them). Or not "highly enough."
They think that they would not have been able to achieve what they did without divine interference. I like to chalk it up to human ingenuity. We can always do better. And we will.
We must think "highly" of ourselves.
I absolutely agree with every word but it must be based in reality. Have you seen the number of contestants on American idol who truly believe they have talent? It is of no use to believe you are what you are not. Belief in self of who you truly are, instead of who you want to be is where the change occurs to reach one's own ptotential.
Thanks for your interesting questions. I'm not really trying to prove my concept that I do believe is true for me, but rather discuss the possibilities in the aspects of self we have not investigated with any serious commitment because we take them for granted.
Although the concept seems quite simple it is not, because we are complex beings. We all have different belief systems, different life experiences, different identities but in this we are the same. We have thoughts, beliefs, emotions, imaginations, faith etc. which I believe are contained in the whole consciousness that we are only partly aware of.

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pelican
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Message 153 of 161 (457593)
02-24-2008 10:22 AM
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02-24-2008 8:54 AM


Re: Emotional energy v physical reaction
Jadaris, are you looking at the emotional reaction caused by a physical action? If so, is it possible that an emotional action can cause a physical reaction?

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pelican
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Message 158 of 161 (457653)
02-24-2008 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Jaderis
02-24-2008 11:11 AM


Re: Knowable spirituality
Sure it does, but it also implies invisible deities and anything that cannot be observed in the natural world.
We can be observed and we have invisible human aspects that are natural, so the human does not fit the category of supernatural.
How does "genius" apply to your definition of spirituality?
Originality.
No use? According to who? Can one believe themselves to be something they are not and then discover through the "failure" process who they are? (p.s. i have only watched the "audition" episodes of the second season of American Idol)
Yes of course, failure is a big part of growth but to fail at something over and over and never change or find one's own dreams is soul destroying. It's happening with many of our younger adults. The suicide rates are climbing.
Right. We all have complex emotional lives. We know that.
What is the "whole consciousness?"
How do you know that we are only "partly aware" of it?
Just imagine the internet holds everything we know. All the information known to humanity is on the net. I would liken that to the whole consciousness. We can only access small parts of it at any one time.

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pelican
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Message 159 of 161 (457660)
02-24-2008 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by Jaderis
02-24-2008 11:32 AM


Re: Emotional energy v physical reaction
Like what? Someone hitting my mother? That causes both an emotional reaction and a physical one that are inseparable. I feel "anger." I know that I feel "angry" because my temperature rises and adrenaline is pumped into my system (to put it crudely). That is how I "know" that I am "angry." If I didn't have this physical reaction I would not be "angry."
What if your mother had hit first out of anger? Would you have the same reaction? I wonder how aware you really are of your reactions in the moment? I wonder if you have any control of your reactions in the moment?
What is an "emotional action?"
How do you separate your emotions from your physical, bodily reactions, including the involuntary ones?
When you feel love, is it a reaction or an action? In my expereience the feeling of love comes from a thought and not from another's action, therefore it is seperate to physical action. If I speak of it I do not say I felt a physical sensation on the back of my neck, went weak at the knees and swooned. I would just say I love you.
I agree the physical sensation has to accompany an emotion but it is not THE emotion.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'involuntary ones'.
I know that I feel "angry" because my temperature rises and adrenaline is pumped into my system
Here you have described them seperately. Your anger is not caused by your temperature rising or the adrenalin rush. Those physical reactions could be caused by a number of things e.g. fear. How do you know it's anger? How do you know it is not a virus? Do you have more sensations than those?

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pelican
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Message 160 of 161 (457666)
02-24-2008 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Larni
02-24-2008 10:40 AM


Re: Emotional energy v physical reaction
Hi Larni, you and I see it but I suspected Jaderis did not. I was trying to clarify his/her perception so as to get on the same page. It doesn't happen very often does it?

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