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Message 7 of 327 (457783)
02-25-2008 2:45 PM


My question is, what exactly is this 'fabric' we call spacetime? Isn't space supposedly empty? Isn't it near close to a perfect vacuum? If it is empty, what then is the fabric of space? Thanks for taking the time to answer this question.

We'll if e=mc2 then you can not travel faster than lights speed however spacetime is expanding faster than light speed even though lights speedlimit is not violated.

They talk of dark matter guess God is not politically correct but something not nothing is believed to be causing nothing to expand faster than light.

P.S. Now if you could travel faster than light could you follow the light all the way back to the source. T=0? If you could travel faster than light would time end going toward the future or would it circle back to T=0?

If string theory is right then space time left to itself might it not circle all the way back to T=0 ? however how is that possible with space time expanding (dark energy ? God) causing the heavens to be stretching?


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Message 43 of 327 (457966)
02-26-2008 3:37 PM
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If you only made sense...

Just trying to say that time is part of space expansion like in the bible where the sun and the moon stood still for Joshua. I just wonder if"anyone else" has personally experienced time slowing down near stopping like in a time of an emergency.

To clarify, I'll start it off with my own personal experience where I experience time appeared to of near stopped. When I was golfing tee'd up and the ball went off the side of the driver slamming into a tree 10 feet away and coming straight for my head.

What happened in that instant of time it took for the ball to travel from the tree to my head time appeared to of slowed down. It was as if you slowed down a film and I had all the time I needed to move my head.

Now I believe God slowed down the ball in time but everyone else did not see the ball slow down thus its likely was me and the ball. Now it would be like you could walk while everyone else was like not moving or something like that too them time is moving forward but to me in that instant time seemed to stand near still, etc...

P.S. In that I was able to move faster than the ball that was moving slow by my minds eye perhaps my time was faster than local time in that instant or everyone around me were in slow time but me ?

The ball was moving too fast for me to of had time to react, if the ball would of hit my head at that velocity I might of been seriously injured or killed, which is why I believe God caused time to stand down for an instant, etc...


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Message 45 of 327 (458029)
02-26-2008 9:19 PM
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The ball was moving too fast for me to of had time to react, if the ball would of hit my head at that velocity I might of been seriously injured or killed, which is why I believe God caused time to stand down for an instant

I think the bat hit you on the head and you just don't remember it.
That would explain a lot...

Your thinking Whos on first Whats on second I don't knows on third, etc...Thats baseball, etc.. I was playing golf, etc...

P.S. I can not imagine how great of a baseball player I'd of been if I could stop the ball freeze frame it before hitting it, etc...

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor4.shtml

PS: "would of" and "might of" ain't really english, but you know that, right?

I could of been injured, should of been injured, would of been injured but for the will of God!

I "couldv'e" been injured, "shouldv'e" been injured, "would've" been injured but for the "willv'e" God!

P.S. I know its improper but when you use will of God it somehow seems to make more sense than willv'e God. I'm not an English nut "obviously" but could of, would of, should of and will of sounds better in my head than like instead of saying will of God to will have God which does not make sense, etc... I kinda like Words like thou, thy, etc...

http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000204.htm

Like is the fabric of the entire universe like the film in a 4D movie projecting real time going forward and backward in time?

I'm just expressing about time that I personally had an experience where a moment in time seemed to slow down and suspect others might of experienced this too?

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Message 69 of 327 (458758)
03-01-2008 10:36 PM


It seems your all looking at the fabric of space how its affected by time gives us the reality of our world.

Kind of like a hologram where position and velocity in respect to Times role (God) in affecting normal matter (the fabric of space) gives us our reality, etc...

Like if two dimensions of time another of space is being theorized by theoretical physicist like if Itzhak Bars can imagine two dimensions how might there be yet more dimensions to time.

Lets say the fabric of the earth has extra dimensions of time as compared to the rest of the universe. That the earth is only 6,000 to 13,000 years young since the creation of life that was possible due to the extra dimensions of time, not that before say 6,000 years when the earth was void of life it was not part of say two dimensional spacetime.

Like is the expansion of spacetime between galaxies is this just an example of one dimension of time(velocity)increasing space where the galaxies by not expanding are more evidence of two dimensions of time (position and velocity)? not expansion, etc...

P.S. Here's an article about how different dimensions of space might not of all expanded equally since the beginning including there might be more than one dimension too time !!!!!!!

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USC College theoretical physicist Itzhak Bars has pioneered efforts to discern how a second dimension of time could help physicists better explain the laws of nature.

http://www.physorg.com/news98468776.html

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Message 77 of 327 (458843)
03-02-2008 1:14 PM
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johnfolton writes:
Now I believe God slowed down the ball in time but everyone else did not see the ball slow down thus its likely was me and the ball. Now it would be like you could walk while everyone else was like not moving or something like that too them time is moving forward but to me in that instant time seemed to stand near still, etc...

Larni writes:
That's just adrenaline kicking in during the emergency reaction.

It is interesting that adrenline is the excuse given to other people like myself in an emergency testifing that they too experienced time slowing down.

The problem with adrenaline in my situation perhaps in those other people is that it takes a second or two for adrenline to kick in !!!!!!!

P.S. The only solution is that time stood down for that instant of time due my experience it all happened within less than a second of real time and adrenaline needs at least a second or two to kick in, etc...

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Because adrenaline has to be carried by the blood to all the different parts of the body, it takes a second or two before people will feel its effects.

http://www.kidpowervancouver.org/id40.html

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Message 79 of 327 (458871)
03-02-2008 2:43 PM
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Ya, but the initial avoidance of the golf ball was mediated by your reflex arc (which bypasses directed thought and moves you automatically).
http://education.vetmed.vt.edu/curriculum/vm8054/Labs/Lab9/Examples/exsomarc.htm

You move fast and get a fright at which point adrenaline kicks in and gives you (among other things):

'[a]feeling as though time has slowed down'

I agree the reflex arc helped me move automatically but time slowed down before I moved and after I moved it went back to normal time.

P.S. I suppose if time has two dimensions and velocity time slowed down around me and positional time was not affected then I had more than enough time for adrenline to of kicked in even though less than a second of real time expired?

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Message 81 of 327 (458924)
03-02-2008 6:41 PM
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You don't think it could be your recall of the event that led you to perceive time as being 'slowed down' rather than your god taking a direct hand in altering the speed in which you travelled through time?

No, I suppose it could be that God sped the speed I was travelling thru time so my surroundings as I observed them slowed down? I looked at it more that the balls velocity was slowed by time and not that God sped the speed I was travelling thru time.

P.S. I suppose from my view point it was more like when God stopped the sun and the moon in the sky for Joshua. akjv Joshua 10:13


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Message 102 of 327 (459083)
03-03-2008 6:38 PM


Mathematical Proof of God!!!!!!!!
If your looking for mathematical proof for the existence of God. Answers in Genesis mathematical evidence like starting with the first hebrew letter tav then counting 49 letters to the next letter and it repeats till you have written the word Torah.

Then in the same text every fiftieth letter spells out Torah in the text. Not getting into all the other codes just the Word Torah being ecoded within the Torah is mathematical evidence not even including that at the same numerical spacing some of the other books of the Torah have encoded the word Torah.

P.S. The odds of this happening by chance in not one but 4 of the 5 books of the Torah is mathematical proof of the existence of God.

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As they studied this pattern the scientists discovered that many of the coded words described future events and personalities in human history, from ancient times until today. When they looked at the string of Hebrew letters in Genesis 1:1, they counted forward forty-nine letters from the letter , the first letter (tav) of the Hebrew word Torah and found the second letter in the word. Skipping forward another forty-nine letters they found the third letter of the word Torah. Incredibly, the Hebrew word Torah was spelled out using every fiftieth letter in the text.

http://www.direct.ca/trinity/code.html


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Message 103 of 327 (459089)
03-03-2008 7:16 PM


Quantum entanglement?
It sure sounds like string theory too me? I mean if light can not go faster and is part of the fabric we call space then something is causing the position and velocity to change as observed by quantum entanglement.

Itzhak Bars on two dimensions to time velocity time and positional time, etc... ?

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USC College theoretical physicist Itzhak Bars has pioneered efforts to discern how a second dimension of time could help physicists better explain the laws of nature.

http://www.physorg.com/news98468776.html


  
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Message 125 of 327 (459237)
03-04-2008 11:33 PM
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Re: Unanswered Questions
So, if the entangled particles are able to move simultaneously at such great distances apart, then practically T(time)=0. That, in turn, would mean that we are en route to create a time travel machine and change events that have already ocurred.

It just seems to me that the dimension of time is too small like is the energy within the atom able to go slip into a dimension where the atom exists going forward or backward in time?

Like the universe is not moving light travels across the universe so its not like the earth is multiplying its just that the atom exists in the past present and future simutaneously so that say if light travelling across the universe if its going towards the earth is not going to hit a parallel universe. Leaning parallel universes is not whats happening but that the atom exists in the past present and future that its just a property of the fabric of space?

Is string theory based off how the energy within the atom exists simutaneously in the past present and future ? due to something like entanglement where you change the past you instantly change the future?

If mass can not go faster than light and the dimension of time exists within the atom by design how would it be possible for mass to slip backwards/forward in time ? not saying God is not able to, in fact prophecy strongly suggests he is quite able, etc...

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Other dimensions could exist, however, if they were curled up in little balls, too tiny to notice. If you moved through one of those dimensions, you’d get back to where you started so fast you’d never realize that you had moved.

“An extra dimension of space could really be there, it’s just so small that we don’t see it,” said Bars, a professor of physics and astronomy.

Something as tiny as a subatomic particle, though, might detect the presence of extra dimensions. In fact, Bars said, certain properties of matter’s basic particles, such as electric charge, may have something to do with how those particles interact with tiny invisible dimensions of space.

http://www.physorg.com/news98468776.html


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Message 164 of 327 (459374)
03-06-2008 1:43 PM



I thought this interesting that the particle is appearing to some reputable scientists fronted by Hawkins as being tiny bits of vibrating cosmic strings and that they are theorizing to have lines of pure mass-energy.

Like how is the atom not a particle consisting of energy and mass and does this mass-energy of an atom not exist going forward and back in time?

Is not the part of the atom existing in present time not made up of pure mass-energy. For time to exists would not this mass-energy have to travel both forward and back through a dimension we call time in agreement with this new theory of say a particle is just a tiny bits of a vibrating string?

If they are right (not saying they are) then strings include mass and energy just like the atom. However unlike the atom or particle in present time which which we all seem to agree can not move faster than lightspeed however is its mass-energy able to move faster than light. If the particle is made up of strings mass-energy that the mass-energy appears to be mass moving faster than lightspeed which appears to be violating Special relativity?

Because quantum entanglement happens faster than the speedlimit of light thus if mass is responsible that Special Relativity has been violated. While the particles existence in present time can not move faster than light might not mean that the particle can not affect another particle across the universe faster than the speedlimit of light "if" the particles existence is emitting strings of mass-energy that stretches across the entire universe in near present time.

That is if string mass-energy is responsible of quantum entanglement happening in present time instantly. It kinda makes sense for the atom to exist in the past present and the future kinda like quantum entanglement in theory like change the past and the future instantly changes, etc...

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A team of physicists and astronomers from the University of Sussex and Imperial College London have uncovered hints that there may be cosmic strings - lines of pure mass-energy - stretching across the entire Universe

This is based on the idea that particles are not just little points, but tiny vibrating bits of string Cosmic strings are predicted to have extraordinary amounts of mass -

The four-person team are members of COSMOS, the UK's world-leading cosmology supercomputing consortium fronted by Stephen Hawking.

Dr Hindmarsh said that better data is required before the existence of cosmic strings can be confirmed. He hopes this will be produced by the European Space Agency's Planck Satellite mission (due for launch this year).

The results are published in Physical Review Letters on 18 January, 2008.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080120182315.htm

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Message 167 of 327 (459487)
03-08-2008 1:14 AM



I just find it interesting that scientists at the University of Sussex and Imperial College London are talking about bands of mass-energy crossing the universe. However that would tend to hold things together not be responsible for the expansion of the universe.

Which is likely why the people at NASA explanation for the expansion is dark energy because its not detectable other than by its effects.

P.S. I just find it interesting that the Bible written over 3,000 years ago mentions stars clusters as having bands which is in agreement with the mass-energy cosmic string theory. The scientists at NASA about dark energy responsible for the expansion is interesting that it agrees with the bible that God is able to loosen these bands and that he alone is responsible for the expansion!!!!!!!

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Could The Universe Be Tied Up With Cosmic String?
ScienceDaily (Jan. 21, 2008) —

A team of physicists and astronomers from the University of Sussex and Imperial College London have uncovered hints that there may be cosmic strings - lines of pure mass-energy - stretching across the entire Universe.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080120182315.htm

What is Dark Energy?

We don't know. We know how much there is, and we know some of the properties it must have. Other than that, dark energy is a mystery, and it's important that we find out more. Roughly 70% of the universe is made of dark energy. Dark matter makes up about 25%. Everything on Earth, everything that we have ever observed with all of our instruments – normal matter – adds up to less than 5% of the universe. Then again, maybe we shouldn't even continue call it "normal" matter since it's just a small fraction of the universe!

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Message 180 of 327 (459830)
03-10-2008 4:04 AM


Energy from Nothing ???????
Time by going forward would it not be creating new space from nothingness thru the increase of the dimension of time? Then when time expands would not new energy be created by the expansion of time?

Is the reason we don't see an increase in energy is we're only seeing one dimension of time the present?

Is this energy what scientists call dark energy and creationists call(God the true light of true light)? However it appears this energy is God creating energy from nothing? To empower time including the entire known universe is not space-time being increased?

Its like nothing at rest at least according to Einstein is truely nothingness maybe even less than a pea? But, expand nothingness and create space from nothingness and don't they believe you create energy from nothingness?

Einstein theorized that space expansion does not dilute energy but creates energy from nothing? But he did believe that space expansion was not the same as nothingness which would be the absense of energy of anything until nothing was expanded which became space time?

So what scientists are calling dark energy by all appearances appears to be responsible for binding cosmic strings? (black holes, atoms, galaxies, planets, time, etc...) and loosening (expansion of space) cosmic strings energy formed from the expansion of nothing???????

Is string theory about that from the expansion of nothing in the beginning that it formed cosmic tubular mass-energy strings that like dark energy or God true light of true light responsible for binding these strings to create black holes, atoms, time and that the entire known universe and is expanding still, including the dimensions of space created from this expansion (loosening) of cosmic strings created from nothingness, etc...

Are cosmic strings being created as time moves forward in time? Is there more to the atom like being regenerated as the earth moves forward in time? If the atom is not being regenerated through the creation of space will time just stop like what existed before t=0 like nothingness? Just God, in the beginning, like all things were created thru him, etc...

P.S. If God would but turn his face would all things be destroyed if all things were created from nothing?

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Albert Einstein was the first person to realize that empty space is not the same as nothingness. Space has amazing properties, many of which are just beginning to be understood. The first property of space that Einstein discovered is that it is possible for more space to come into existence. One version of Einstein's gravity theory makes a second prediction: "empty space" can possess its own energy. This energy would not be diluted as space expands, because it is a property of space itself; as more space came into existence, more of this energy-of-space would come into existence as well.

http://science.hq.nasa.gov/universe/science/dark_energy.html


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Message 187 of 327 (459882)
03-10-2008 1:56 PM
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Re: Mass-Energy and Time created from Nothing !!!!!!!
Albert Einstein himself talking about space coming into existence and the scientists fronted by Stephen Hawkings theorizing that the entire universe is tied up with these tubular cosmic strings!

When space is coming into existence are tubular cosmic strings being created thats resisting the expansion. You have dark energy being proposed by NASA in respect to the driving of the expansion but is dark energy (God)? in respect to the expansion being observed is a force greater than nothing loosening tubular cosmic strings (bands of energy) so that yet more mass-energy is being created as space is expanding as Einstein proposed.

It might be that nothingness is really nothing but that nothing when expanded by an energy greater than nothing that tubular strings of cosmic energy are being created. Like in the expansion does it not look like energy is just popping into existence? If so then in the beginning before and at t=0 no energy or time existed meaning that all things were created from nothing by dark energy (God true light of true light), etc...

Just looking at it all from the point of nothingness and cosmic tubular strings like say proposed by the the dual teams of scientists from the University of Sussex and Imperial College London proposing that the entire universe is tied up with cosmic strings
and that all particles are made up from these cosmic strings.

Without dark energy (God) would these gravity like forces created by the expansion not pull the the entire universe including time and energy back into a state of nothingness t=0 & e=0? How is the earth itself not suspended on nothing does not time itself believed to go backwards to t=0 and forwards from t=0 where the mass-energy of the earth exists in a dimension going backwards and increasing forward in time.

Is the mass-energy of the earth not being increased thru this expansion of nothing we call time going forward from t=0, etc... It appears not only energy but time has been and is still being created from nothing e=0 & t=0, but t is this not being adjusted for the visible universe mathematically by the expansion rate of space by NASA by something they are calling dark energy responsible? It does appear that dark energy/God is responsible for the creation not just energy but time from nothing, etc...

Did Einstein not theorize that empty space if expanded would increase in energy? like something from nothing, and not dilute existing energy. That this is just a property of space itself ?

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Could The Universe Be Tied Up With Cosmic String?
ScienceDaily (Jan. 21, 2008) —

A team of physicists and astronomers from the University of Sussex and Imperial College London have uncovered hints that there may be cosmic strings - lines of pure mass-energy - stretching across the entire Universe.

The Microwave Sky. The detailed, all-sky picture of the infant universe from three years of WMAP data. The image reveals 13.7 billion year old temperature fluctuations (shown as color differences) that correspond to the seeds that grew to become the galaxies. (Credit: NASA/WMAP Science Team)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080120182315.htm

Albert Einstein was the first person to realize that empty space is not the same as nothingness. Space has amazing properties, many of which are just beginning to be understood. The first property of space that Einstein discovered is that it is possible for more space to come into existence. One version of Einstein's gravity theory makes a second prediction: "empty space" can possess its own energy. This energy would not be diluted as space expands, because it is a property of space itself; as more space came into existence, more of this energy-of-space would come into existence as well.

http://science.hq.nasa.gov/universe/science/dark_energy.html

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Message 194 of 327 (460642)
03-17-2008 3:40 PM
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Re: A bit of history.
However the light is in free fall and has no forces on it and also from SR, the light simply follows null geodesics in spacetimes*. So the only way the curved path can occur is if the null geodesics themselves have become altered, which means the spacetime now has a dfferent shape due to the mass.**

If you sit in a spinning chair and put your hands out you will slow but bring your hands inward and you can feel your speed increasing.

Is not it supporting Newtonian gravity that something and not just nothing (the curvature of space) responsible?

If Einstein was totally right this should not be happening like if light is only just following the curvature of space.

The spinning skater priciple seems more supporting Newtonian gravity that a force other than nothing is speeding up or slowing down the skaters spin.

It seems there is a bit of truth to both Einstein and Newtonian gravity. Is string theory not trying to explain the fabric of space time to bridge the nothing part the(curvature of spacetime) with something such as (that mass energy cosmic tubular strings are curving space thru time)? a real force reaching outward responsible for creating this curvature within the fabric of space thru time)?

P.S. That something and not just nothing is bending light and not just nothing (curvature of space) is responsible when a skater spins faster by bringing ones arms inward, etc ... !!!!!!!

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