Faithful

well you have a nice outlook i too am interested in art,done any landscapes lately?

I apologise for using the phrase, great man in the sky. I can see how that could offend.

LOL. Actually drawing a preliminary on my desk between peaks at the forum!

you dont have to apologise your the most subtle member i have heard from so far.enjoy your painting there's nothing better than the satisfaction it brings when it turns out just how you wanted.

Well, when i was a Christian, i firmly believed in God, don't know why, i never questioned it. looking back, it was mostly to do with a fear of hell. At the end of the day it is so incredibly simple, can we prove that God exists?? Then why should we believe in him? it doesn't get any simpler.

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Well MIke the Wiz I difinately have faith in God. And I would like to add that the things of God seem foolishness to those who don't believe. So I guess until one experiences God for themselves they will actually not have faith in Him.

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So, you have to believe in order to believe.That's circular, isn't it?

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Does anybody believe in the middle ages, world war 1, the wind?
Oh well I dont because I was not there and I have never seen the wind.
Oh no wait a minute I do I have evidence of these things so I believe in them. But sorry I wont believe in God because I cannot see him and better yet the earth does not show his wonderful hand, or does it?

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We have physical evidence of the middle ages.We have physical evidence of WW I.We have physical evidence of the wind.What's more, we have physical evidence that anyone, regardless of personal belief, can observe and study.You have no physical evidence at all, only belief. Those who share this belief agree with you.You are free to hold any belief at all, of course, but there's absolutely no reason for me to believe you if I require physical evidence.------------------
"Evolution is a 'theory', just like gravity. If you don't like it, go jump off a bridge."

If I might just add this..."And please don't say evolution as a scape goat, you dont believe we all used to be fish millions of years ago do you?"It might do some good to explain a little better the actual evolutionary theory. The answer to this question is no. Human beings were not fish, fish didn't exist- but it is possible that the ancestors of present day fish were common to ours.
My evolutionary theory is that the oceans of the third planet from our sun had the conditions that were just right to spark chemicals in the environment into reacting with eachother. They began forming organic compounds. Life began to exist, in extremely simple forms, then hit the evolutionary jackpot with the idea of single cell organisms. These organisms began to multiply. then, as they began to drift away from eachother, they began to differentiate, mutate, become more complex, more specailized, continually adapting to conditions. I think this is where all life of earth comes from. Not that we were once fishes, but that we are at the end of a chain of magnificent chemical reactions. That is why I call myself an evolutionist.I enjoy believing that these chemical reactions were not random, but I suspect that they were. I suspect that we're here because we're here, and if we weren't, we wouldn't be.

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Souljah 1 , thanks , i agree with you people do not believe what they can't see and they disregard our experiences as chance .

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...yet the evidence for evolution is there for anyone to see, and you disregard it!You believe the undetectable yet reject the observable and physical.Fascinating.

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'But sorry I wont believe in God because I cannot see him and better yet the earth does not show his wonderful hand, or does it?'

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it shows the incredible beauty of God , just look at the sunset.

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You do know that what we consider beautiful sunsets are produced from lots of pollution in the atmosphere, don't you?[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 07-12-2003]

'You are free to hold any belief at all, of course, but there's absolutely no reason for me to believe you if I require physical evidence.'thats exactly what this thread is about Schrafinator FAITH,i made it quite clear , no one is trying to change your mind, this is a topic for those WITH faith to share their testimonies and or faith.SO WHY FIGHT WITH US, just leave us to our beliefs!

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thats exactly what this thread is about Schrafinator FAITH,i made it quite clear , no one is trying to change your mind, this is a topic for those WITH faith to share their testimonies and or faith.SO WHY FIGHT WITH US, just leave us to our beliefs!

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Look, there were questions asked, so I answered them.The last time I checked, Mike, this was a thread that was open to all members. It was also true, the last time I checked, that this was a debate forum.If you would rather not participate in debate with me, then simply ignore my posts.Getting whiny is not likely to scare me off, just so you know.[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 07-12-2003]

Hmm... I think I will share my faith with you then.Due to certain experiences in my life, I have developed a very strong faith. These experiences could not be explained by science, and I do not need it to. I believe as strongly as the most fanatical Christian, but my belief does not involve such human things as the Bible. I do not need a priest or reverend to guide me, nor do I need a book to tell me what the truth really is - I have found my own truth, and it makes me a better person.My faith does not contradict with my scientific learning. I keep them separate, but draw strength from both.I kinda lucky, really.The Rock Hound------------------
"Science constantly poses questions, where religion can only shout about answers."

'The last time I checked, Mike, this was a thread that was open to all members.'yes i know i wrote it , however you just seem to want to argue about 'evidence' where as i called the topic 'faithful'.'Getting whiny is not likely to scare me off, just so you know.'o.k stay and share your faith story, which is what its about.

'Hmm... I think I will share my faith with you then.'thats absolutely fine , thanks.

What, no comments? No discussion?You seem very eager to chat with other Christians, Mike - but when a non-Christian wants in, they get 'thats absolutely fine, thanks'?I don't need an affirmation from you that my faith is ok and above board or whatever - which is what this sounds like. Now is this a discussion thread or not?The Rock Hound------------------
"Science constantly poses questions, where religion can only shout about answers."

According to Eastern philosophy (Vedanta), the Absolute is one without a second, and there is nothing than the Absolute.So, what is the question of faith? It is meaningless to have faith on the obvious, and if one has no faith in the obvious he should prove that the obvious is not obvious. That is to say, one should stablish another Absolute that is different than the Absolute itself. And this is an absurd...