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pelican
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Message 16 of 131 (459816)
03-10-2008 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Chiroptera
03-09-2008 11:00 AM


Patience is a virtue
double post
Edited by pelican, : Double post

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pelican
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Message 17 of 131 (459818)
03-10-2008 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by tesla
03-09-2008 5:42 PM


Practise and preaching
presentation, Subconsciously
Not that it matters or is of any importance but did you know putting a capital letter after a comma is bad grammar?
Edited by pelican, : No reason given.

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pelican
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Message 18 of 131 (459820)
03-10-2008 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Taz
03-09-2008 6:32 PM


The idea behing the OP
This is an online forum. Unlike real life, we have absolutely nothing to go on except your words. And since we have absolutely nothing to go on by except your words, everytime you get sloppy with your words result in a loss of communicating idea somewhere.
Were you able to read and understand the misspelled passage in the OP? If you did, do you think there was anything lost in communicating the idea it presented?

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pelican
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Message 19 of 131 (459821)
03-10-2008 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Brad McFall
03-09-2008 7:59 PM


Re: grammar vs thought
I read the passage perfectly well enough and pretty well as fast as I read anything else, quickly. After reading a few words without difficulty, I sort of read on, under the presumption that I would not encounter any difficult concept and since there was not one in there, that made getting it read for certain probably easier than some "random" paragraph posted onto EvC.
Well that is the problem, because you assumed there was no concept, you did not see one, but it is there.

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Taz
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Message 20 of 131 (459822)
03-10-2008 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by pelican
03-10-2008 12:45 AM


Re: The idea behing the OP
pelican writes:
Were you able to read and understand the misspelled passage in the OP?
Yes.
If you did, do you think there was anything lost in communicating the idea it presented?
You're missing the point. We don't mind misspellings at all. In fact, I misspell words all the time on here. I also make grammatical mistakes all the time on here.
What people like me have a problem with is the persistence to misspell and make grammatical errors on the conscious level. By conscious, I mean the decision to not care how well your messages are written.
Like I said before. I don't know you in real life. I can't see your facial expressions or your bodily gestures. All I have to go on are your words. The more you pay attention to the wellness of your grammar and spelling, the less likely there will be a miscommunication between us.

Thou shalt accept Prometheus as thy savior for HE is the true light of Humanity and the World.

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pelican
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Message 21 of 131 (459823)
03-10-2008 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Chiroptera
03-09-2008 6:44 PM


Re: Patience is a virtue
I asked what was the "Problem" with incorrect spelling when you can clearly understand it. Perhaps you did not understand the concept.
It really was part of a research project at Cambridge University and it seems clear evreyone can read the words, but no idea of the point it is making that supports my concept.
YES! It may take a little longer to read and may take a little effort but a lot more time for those learning to spell and type in order to be heard.

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pelican
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Message 22 of 131 (459825)
03-10-2008 1:29 AM
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03-10-2008 1:00 AM


Re: The idea behing the OP
What people like me have a problem with is the persistence to misspell and make grammatical errors on the conscious level. By conscious, I mean the decision to not care how well your messages are written.
Why should it bother anyone enough to make a judgement of "they don't care?" Why has my spelling been pointed out to me many times when it distracted nothing from the point and the only point made in the reply is my spelling?
Maybe it gives the reader an opportunity to bitch.

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Message 23 of 131 (459829)
03-10-2008 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by pelican
03-10-2008 1:19 AM


Re: Patience is a virtue
pelican writes:
quote:
I asked what was the "Problem" with incorrect spelling when you can clearly understand it.
Because it is problematic to read. While it "can" be read, it is not "easy" to read. Because so much time is spent having to decode what it is that you said, it distracts from what you are trying to say.
Thus, communication is hindered. If you are trying to convey a point, it helps if you reduce distractions so that your point is the only thing on the receiver's mind.
quote:
YES! It may take a little longer to read and may take a little effort but a lot more time for those learning to spell and type in order to be heard.
And thus, communication is hindered. Don't you think it would behoove you to make your point more easily received?
So what you're saying is that it is better for your entire audience to have to fight to understand you than for you to fight to be understood? It is better to inconvenience a hundred people, possibly losing them in the process, than to inconvenience one?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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bluegenes
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Message 24 of 131 (459834)
03-10-2008 5:29 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by pelican
03-10-2008 1:19 AM


pelican writes:
I asked what was the "Problem" with incorrect spelling when you can clearly understand it. Perhaps you did not understand the concept.
We all make small mistakes, but sloppy posting slows reading, and distracts the reader from the meaning of the post. It's anti-social to stick an incoherent post in the middle of a thread, and the site would be greatly improved if persistent offenders were suspended, IMO. There's rarely anything much worth deciphering in their posts, anyway.
If patience is a virtue, as you claim, we should all show how virtuous we are by having the patience to check our posts before submitting them!
YES! It may take a little longer to read and may take a little effort but a lot more time for those learning to spell and type in order to be heard.
Is that last sentence there to illustrate that spelling is not your only problem?
Can't children learn to read and write on children's discussion boards, and then graduate to sites like this?
For example, if it takes someone more than five minutes to figure out that capitalizing at the beginning of sentences makes it much easier for the reader to distinguish one sentence from another, then who wants to hear their thoughts on complex evolution/creation issues anyway?
The question for such people is not really whether or not they descended from apes, but whether or not they might soon be overtaken by them.

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pelican
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Message 25 of 131 (459836)
03-10-2008 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by AZPaul3
03-09-2008 6:28 PM


listening instead of judging
Absurd or not, sloppy mechanics conveys the perception of a sloppy mind to one's audience.
I suppose it depends on one's audience.

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pelican
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Message 26 of 131 (459838)
03-10-2008 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Percy
03-09-2008 6:44 PM


closed minds
Yes, I had a nomination but that still doesn't stop others from pointing out my spelling mistakes, making an issue out of them and ignoring the point I made in the 1st place.
That is the process I am familiar with on this forum. It doesn't happen on another forum I frequent. This begged the question of 'why does it matter so much for some on this forum'?
Being corrected has never offended me. I don't have an inferiority complex about my abilities. I was trying to show how focus on insignificant details distracts from the content. Also that the focus on correctness closes the mind. Maybe if you re-read the misplet OP without judgement, it would mean something else entirely.

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pelican
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Message 27 of 131 (459839)
03-10-2008 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Rrhain
03-10-2008 2:29 AM


Re: Patience is a virtue
Because it is problematic to read. While it "can" be read, it is not "easy" to read. Because so much time is spent having to decode what it is that you said, it distracts from what you are trying to say.
Did you have a problem reading the mispelled passage in the OP?
I only read this the other day myself and I was amused to find how easily I did read it. I thought the concept offered by this research was true.

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pelican
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Message 28 of 131 (459840)
03-10-2008 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by bluegenes
03-10-2008 5:29 AM


double post
Edited by pelican, : No reason given.

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pelican
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Message 29 of 131 (459842)
03-10-2008 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by bluegenes
03-10-2008 5:29 AM


If patience is a virtue, as you claim, we should all show how virtuous we are by having the patience to check our posts before submitting them!
Your spelling and grammar seems fine. Do you have a content checker? It checks to see if you are on topic or not.
E.G...the following are off topic........
sloppy posting,
incoherent post,
Is that last sentence there to illustrate that spelling is not your only problem?
Can't children learn to read and write on children's discussion boards, and then graduate to sites like this?
For example, if it takes someone more than five minutes to figure out that capitalizing at the beginning of sentences makes it much easier for the reader to distinguish one sentence from another, then who wants to hear their thoughts on complex evolution/creation issues anyway
And this........
The question for such people is not really whether or not they descended from apes, but whether or not they might soon be overtaken by them.
Very Naughty !!!

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Message 30 of 131 (459846)
03-10-2008 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by pelican
03-10-2008 8:28 AM


Your spelling and grammar seems fine. Do you have a content checker? It checks to see if you are on topic or not.
Everything there is either on the topic or closely related enough to it for other forums, let alone "Coffee House".
Which means that your post must be off-topic (and so is this one).

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