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Recon3rd
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Message 1 of 62 (458606)
03-01-2008 7:54 AM


I'm a bit confused. Is there more to a life than flesh and blood? Do living creatures, man included have a spirit/soul or are we just what we see of each other?

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Recon3rd
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Message 31 of 62 (459503)
03-08-2008 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Larni
03-01-2008 10:14 AM


Larni-
No confusion here.
If you can point out a spirit or soul there would be some confusion.
Untill then were is the problem with working with the observable universe without adding extraneous variables whose existance is not established?
So in other words at this point in time and with the equipment available today you don't know for sure if the answer is yes or no. How much of what we know today did we not observe 100 years ago because we had yet to understand because of the lack of technology?
Larni....thanks for the welcome
Edited by Recon3rd, : correction

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Recon3rd
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Message 32 of 62 (459507)
03-08-2008 8:22 AM


Since we live in a 3d realm we can't 'see' other realms even though they exist. I'm sure most people have listened to a radio yet without the radios receiver we wouldn't know there were anything in the room with us, television and a host of other devices provide us the ability to observe something from another realm. Just because we can't see something doesn't make an absolute for nonexistence.
So wouldn't it be very possible that a spiritual realm does exist but we at the present time haven't come up with a receiver to pick up that realm?

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Recon3rd
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Message 38 of 62 (459652)
03-09-2008 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Taz
03-08-2008 1:18 PM


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Sorry, but this is utter nonsense from someone that obviously know not how radio waves work.
A while ago, I attended a religious sermon by some pastor. He was preaching about faith and how it is a necessary part of life. He used the example of radio and tv as examples of faith. After the sermon, I confronted him and asked him how radio and tv demonstrated faith, and he said (and I swear he said this) that since noone in the world knows how these things work but we use them anyway, we must have faith that they work. I swear, this guy had no idea how radio and tv work so he just automatically assumed that everyone else is an idiot like him.
You remind me of him.
We'll thanks for the insult. Perhaps you could explain how radio waves work. Can you see them, without the aid of some device to prove they are there? How bout the light spectrum can you with your own eyes see the whole light spectrum? How bout sound waves, if I set off a fire cracker can you see the sound? Does a deaf person hear what is not seen? No, does than mean it doesn't exist only to them?
I don't know what the pastor said or its setting but I'm sure he wasn't talking the type of faith you have in God. It's like when you get up in the morning and go to the bathroom, you go in and flip the light on, never doubting the lights gonna light. You just do it in faith, a faith you don't even think about and it has nothing to do with God. You may have misunderstood him, he may have been saying the same unquestioned faith of the light going on when you flip the switch is akin to the faith we should have in God, unquestionable.

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Recon3rd
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Message 54 of 62 (459974)
03-11-2008 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Taz
03-09-2008 1:42 PM


TB-
Muahahahahahahahaha!
Like I said before. Not everyone is as ignorant as people like you. You remind me of Kent Hovind, which once claimed that sonar was part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
I've always wondered if christians who know better than this feel embarrassed for their brethrens.e
I see you didn't enlighten us on your knowledge of how a radio works but instead you felt better to insult. Good job.
That's called "trust", not faith. The light has consistently turned on, so you trust that the next time you flip the switch it will turn on.
Go to a dictionary and look up both words.
Can you say the same thing about miracles? I have an aunt that needed spinal surgery. For years, she refused to go through with the surgery because she was convinced god was going to heal her. It wasn't until she lost feelings of both her legs did she agree to visit the surgeon. The surgeon said if she didn't have the surgery then she could become paralized from waist down anytime. She still had second thoughts because she still thought god was going to heal her. It took her entire family to convince her to go through with it.
That's called faith. I can't believe you people are comparing that to switching on and off the light.
Was she trusting in God to heal her? If so where did her trust come from? Could it be that her faith permitted her to trust in God?

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Recon3rd
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Message 59 of 62 (460025)
03-12-2008 6:25 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Taz
03-11-2008 8:50 PM


Radio waves are parts of the electromagnetic spectrum. This includes visible light, microwave, x-ray, radio waves, etc. Unlike sound waves, which are longitudinal waves, radio waves are transverse waves. (Hint, look up these words if you don't understand them... I'm not going to waste my time explaining every detail.)
Like all EM waves, a radio wave is actually made of electric and magnetic fields that reinforce each other. By changing the amplitudes of these coupled waves, we can send information through space. It's like sending smoke signals.
Why use radio waves to convey information rather than other forms of EM waves? Because radio waves have the lowest frequencies and therefore easiest to use back in the good old days. Communication devices like cell phones nowadays technically use microwaves for the same purpose.
In short, you don't need faith in order to understand how these things work.
Yes, I know that and you know that but take a radio, a couple cell phones, portable tv..... into....lets say the rain forest, deep into the rain forest. Now you're in a place where they more than likely haven't seen the workings of modern society. Think you could tell them that there are pictures, moving pictures all around right in front of them or theres music all around them without wiping out a device to collect the signal? BTW- that smoke signal reference doesn't even fit into the conversation since smoke signals can be seen with the eye itself without any devise. The signals we're talking about can not be seen by the eye itself but need a device to bring it into our realm so that we may see and hear them.
I think the rest of your stuff was answered by someone a bit wiser than yourself.
Peace

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