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PaulK
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Message 7 of 91 (46091)
07-15-2003 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Percy
07-14-2003 5:35 PM


While I wouldn't go so far as to claim that the Nativity stories were intentional inventions I agree that it is likely that they are legend rather than fact (especially Matthew's).
The clear discrepencies between the two accounts quite clearly indicate that both Luke and Matthew were unaware of or rejected the sources used by the other.
(For instance the Matthean account explicitly places Jesus' birth towards the end of the reign of Herod the Great, while the Lukan story fits best with the census taken when Rome finally annexed Judaea, ten years after the death of Herod.)

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Message 28 of 91 (47257)
07-24-2003 4:33 AM
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07-24-2003 1:22 AM


Souljah1, I think you need to read some better books.
Here are some facts for you. Charles Darwin never denied the truth of evolution.
THe authorship of much of the bible - evne the New Testament is very uncertain. The anonymous author of "Matthew" appears to have taken much of his material from Mark (the alternative, that Mark copied from Matthew is less likely). There is no evidence that the author of Matthew was an eye-witness, and the use of material from Mark makes it very unlikely.
The authorship of John is also uncertain and we cannot say whether the author was or was not an eyewitness

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Message 36 of 91 (47339)
07-24-2003 7:35 PM
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07-24-2003 7:23 PM


Re: Ignorance Abounds
It's amazing how creationists always think that we should just forget about the facts and simply believe what they say.
And might I say that the assertion that "Something that inhabits design needs to have had a designer" is not only not logical it is quite obviously false.
A pet mouse may inhabit a cage - are we to conclude that the mouse is designed from that ?
As for the "design" of our world I'll offer a simple and logical explanation. There is no design of the world. If you wish ot argue otherwise then it is up to you to support your claim.

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Message 41 of 91 (47392)
07-25-2003 9:16 AM
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07-25-2003 8:56 AM


Of coure the lack of strictly contemporary accounts could be because Jesus did not cause too great a hubbub in Judaea. It's not what the Gospels say, but then you'd expect them to exaggerate Jesus' impact.

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