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DrJones*
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Message 166 of 173 (460578)
03-16-2008 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by camanintx
03-16-2008 5:23 PM


If all dogs descended from the two dogs on Noah's Ark, then how can there be so many breeds?

The standard bullshit YEC answer is that the original "kinds" had extremely large amounts of genetic variability built into their genome.


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graft2vine
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Message 167 of 173 (460601)
03-17-2008 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Kapyong
03-15-2008 7:15 PM


Iasion writes:

it simply follows directly from graft2vine's statement.

That was not my statement. I was summarizing from the AiG article. Still, I assume they mean "kind" is equivalent for biological family in some cases, but not for humans.

I don't agree with that, but believe kind is essentially the same as species. They are defined differently but the result is the same.


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Message 168 of 173 (460915)
03-20-2008 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by graft2vine
03-08-2008 11:47 PM


4. Dinosaurs were on board, so another 12 to 24 dinosaur genera were included.

12 to 24 seems a bit small. That'd put kind well above the familial level, since at my last count there were some 50-odd dinosaur families, excluding birds.


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Message 169 of 173 (460919)
03-20-2008 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by ICANT
03-12-2008 11:45 PM


Re: Creeping Things
Nevermind

Edited by Bluejay, : I decided not to bring this stuff back up.


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Message 170 of 173 (461162)
03-23-2008 1:00 AM
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03-15-2008 7:15 PM


remember though, Back then a kind of animal was just a kind of animal. they didnt have all these fancy filing systems for species class and family and so on. a bear was a bear and humans weren't even considered animals as they believed as some still do that we were made in Gods image and are above animals. People dont count.
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Message 171 of 173 (461184)
03-23-2008 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Taz
02-26-2008 3:27 AM


What?
Sorry to disappoint True Believer but I haven't studied the topic and am content to leave it to all of you to argue about this.

I would rather hear how random mutation and natural selection could possibly be as creative as it is credited with being.Now that would be a story that would make Noah pale in comparison.


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Message 172 of 173 (461257)
03-23-2008 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by DrJones*
03-16-2008 6:14 PM


A large genome for a creature that isn't expected to display such a complex level of variation, unexpectedly so, even "paradoxical" and "very surprising".....where have I seen evidence of this before?

just a thought


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Taz
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Message 173 of 173 (461260)
03-23-2008 10:59 PM
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03-23-2008 5:40 AM


Re: What?
Beretta writes:

Sorry to disappoint True Believer but I haven't studied the topic and am content to leave it to all of you to argue about this.

I would rather hear how random mutation and natural selection could possibly be as creative as it is credited with being.Now that would be a story that would make Noah pale in comparison.


Are you saying that a big pile of shit makes a smaller pile of shit look tasty?
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