Biblical Ages (the long lifespans)

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On this same topic....Doctrbill, is this your site?
http://www.sun-day-school.us/index.html

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Whether it is or isn't, its very interesting.

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Yes it is mine, and - Thank you very much. I'm glad you like it. The page in question is this one - http://www.sun-day-school.us/many_moons.htm -You would think that New Testament authors would have commented on the phenomenal ages of their ancestors and drawn some sort of moral lesson like Christians do today, but they are silent on the subject. IMO, they understood the truth of what we are now learning.Perhaps because I was raised Seventh-day Adventist I am especially interested in the seventh day - http://www.sun-day-school.us/shabbat.htm - and why it became so important that a death penalty was prescribed for anyone who worked on that day. http://www.sun-day-school.us/penalty.htmI hope everyone in the forum will give this site a glance. As any of you webmasters can testify, such a project takes up Way Too Much Time. db

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Asgara: "Mind if I link to your site from mine?"

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Sounds like a cool idea. Please post the address of your site here so I can see it, and perhaps link to it from mine. OK?Or, you could modify your profile to list it as your homepage; that way everyone who checks out your profile can see it.
Cheap advertizing!db[This message has been edited by doctrbill, 07-16-2003]

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roxrkool: I looked at your site and I thought it was really well done. Not to mention extremely interesting. I had never heard that about using lunar rather than solar cycles.

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Hi Rox,Thanks for the comment. As far as I know, I arrived at it independently. It was a pretty amazing discovery to me at the time, but now it seems almost too obvious to be overlooked by a serious seeker. There must have been someone somewhere who noticed it before I did. This is (briefly) how it happened for me.About thirty-five years ago, one of my professors of religion, while making a case for the uniqueness of the seventh-day Sabbath had said, "There is nothing in nature which exhibits a seven day cycle." i.e. The Sabbath is not based on anything in the natural world. I was young at the time and naive regarding the lunar calendar. Then, about thirty years later, I realized he was wrong.Not long after introducing the subject in another Yahoo! debate forum a few years back, I was surprised to see an article appear in Watchtower magazine, shortly thereafter, criticizing the theory. It was especially amazing since I'd never heard of it before proposing it, and had just released my argument in a public forum. The Jehovah's Witness' criticism made no mention of the cultural factor - whereby children become members of the Jewish community at age 13. Without inclusion of this factor, of course, the theory does not work.db------------------
"If God created Nature, then the Law of Nature is the Law of God."

Sounds like me, although I may have been going by another alias (canonyz) at the time. Perhaps I can track it down in the archives.BTW, I've had to revise the age at which children become members of Jewish society. When I first aired my thoughts, I was going from memory (a faulty one?). I now have both biblical and modern Jewish evidence which indicates that the age is 13 years, not the twelve which I had previously stated. This change actually lends increased credibility to the theory. The theory is further enhanced by understanding that thirteen is, in Jewish culture, the age of majority. Witness this excerpt from: Just a moment...

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Bar Mitzva means "son of the commandment". ... subject to all the laws of the Torah as they apply to men.

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... becoming a responsible adult depends not only on reaching the relevant age but also on showing the first signs of puberty — at least two pubic hairs in the genital area. ...

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Being thirteen and capable of fathering children qualifies a Jewish male to be a full adult member of the People of Israel, with all the accompanying obligations and privileges.

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The boy is now legally a man.

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Unforunately there's insufficient information for finding the original source.

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I believe that was me but when I searched the archives at the old club, I couldn't access anything in the ballpark of the timeframe. To this day, however, I have not seen, nor hear of, anyone else promoting this theory.
Could it be that I have, for once in my life, done something original? db------------------
"If God created Nature, then the Law of Nature is the Law of God."

An additional bit of Jewish lore which indicates just how serious they are about what it means to turn thirteen in their society:

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Under Torah law a thirteen year old is liable to the same punishments as any other adult for willful violation of the commandments of the Torah. The penalties include death for some of the worst crimes, flogging, fines and other sanctions.
The penalties are serious because the Mitzvot are so important. Not only do they affect us. They have an influence on the entire universe. Tradition teaches that God set things up in such a way that each mitzva has the power to affect the whole creation in ways far beyond the ability of the human mind to comprehend. Mitzvot carried out by a thirteen year old have as much power as those of people much older.

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Excerpted from - Just a moment...db------------------
"If God created Nature, then the Law of Nature is the Law of God."