Tesla and Superweapons.

I don't know why Son Goku hasn't replied yet, maybe because you asked a question he already answered: My view of this thread is that it is actually exploring the conspiratorial mind that sees secrets everywhere, in this case secret government research efforts developing theoretical and technological knowledge that the public, including all scientists not directly associated with these projects, is unaware of.My answers to Son Goku's questions:

• Are there superweapons?
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  No.
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• Are they plausible in the first place?
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  No.
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• Is there secret scientific knowledge?
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  Yes, of course. The Manhattan project is an example. The Stealth bomber is another. But the more people in the know and the more time that goes by, the harder it is to keep it secret. In other words, there is no such thing as large-scale long-term secret scientific knowledge.
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• What is the truth in Tesla conspiracies?
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  They exist only in the minds of conspiracy theorists.

--Percy

In my opening post I describe what I'm talking about and I'm simply choosing to call them superweapons. Maybe I could use a different word, but the thing is there is no proper word for what I'm talking about. If you don't like "superweapon" mentally replace it with "megaweapon", "omgweapon" or "conspiracy weapon" or something. My previous reply to Taz should give some indication as to what I'm talking about. I don't think it matters what word I assign to it since there is no word.

No, not entirely. It's a close one in a certain sense. I mean nobody knew about it and all that, but most nuclear scientists at the time knew of the possibility of such a thing.Basically as cavediver said it's stuff built from ufo technology or secret science nobody has heard about, like teleporting naval ships. Apologies for being unclear. Unfortunatly there is no solid terminology in this area of conspiracy theories and it's not as easy to nail down as something like 9/11 conspiracies.

I'll play devil's advocate. My contention is that the work of James Clerk Maxwell was obviously censored at the end of the 20th century. The missing "scalar" part of electromagnetism is possibly being used by governments such as china and the united states as reserve weapons in case of an emergency. If others think this is not the case, then where did the scalar part of electromagnetism go and who now holds that knowledge?

Alright, then let's go back to the practicality concern of such weapons.

One thing we know from studying Telsa is that conspiracies are real. We can see that in the denial of his wireless patents despite his publishing specific radio designs which Marconi used. Nevertheless his patents were denied until after Tesla's death in the 40s. In fact, when I went to school, I was still taught the lie that Marconi invented radio.Another thing to keep in mind when considering Tesla's claims is that it is probably a waste of time to debate those claims with people that are inclined to reject them anyway. It will be quite easy to find popular scientific opinion against him, but does that mean the popular opinion is correct?Consider the case of over-the-horizon radar. Over 100 years ago, Tesla claimed to have discovered over the horizon radar, but was roundly criticized by the mainstreamers who all insisted it was physically impossible. It wasn't until the 1950s that the military rediscovered over the horizon radar. Tesla was, of course, correct.In fact, the only reason we use Tesla's first generation technology for the power grid is due to the fact that despite organizations like the Smithsonian touting Edison, Edison's system didn't work. If it did, we would probably still be told that alternating current was dangerous and couldn't be used to transport electricity over long distances. In other words, it's solely due to money, to financial interests, that Tesla's technology for the power grid was not suppressed. Financial interests could make money on it and so it was not suppressed.So Tesla designed the Niagra Falls power plant.....it's worth noting when you go to the Smithsonian, you will see a life-sized portrait of Edison in the area showing the power plant with no mention of Tesla there. There is just a reference to a dispute with "another inventor". About the only credit they give Tesla is for the induction morot.What's sad is that he and his supporters had to fight so hard to even bring us the power grid when at the time, he had already obsoleted it with a wireless design for distribution of power. Not many understand that he wasn't talking about transporting the power as much as manipulating energy fields, both things like the earth's energy field and what we would call the vacuum or quantum field which isn't considered an "energy field" per se.But the bottom line is the banks could make more money transporting power over lines in a crude manner and so that's what we still have today.Tesla, for those that don't know, also invented the induction motor and invented or was an early pioneer of many things.In terms of superweapons, Tesla's particle beam weapon designs he offered to the Allies, which due to costs was rejected in favor of the atom bomb, seems to be the same or very similar to Star Wars type research and weapons. More significantly, one can easily imagine if the ability as Tesla claimed and demonstrated, for power to be wireless, one can imagine how to weaponize that so that power is produced as a bomb of sorts anywhere on the globe, and that's the current speculation over scalar weapons. It's worth noting that Defense Secretary Cohen in the 90s stated such weapons are "real" and a genuine terrorist threat.To properly understand Telsa's more fantastic technology, one needs to understand his claim of working with non-Hertzian or longitidinal waves. Tesla expressed this as waves moving through the ether. Today, it would be expressed as potential energy moving through the vacuum.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

I don't think anyone seriously questions the reality of conspiracies. What is questioned is the possibility of large-scale multi-generational conspiracies.It takes no special credulousness to accept the possibility that Tesla may have discovered something about electromagnetic phenomena that was suppressed at the time and subsequently lost and never rediscovered. For instance, perhaps journals at the time conspired to refuse to print his paper, and now the last remaining copy lies in a trunk in an attic in an abandoned farmhouse on the outskirts of Prague. Somehow or other, subsequent generations of scientists have failed to rediscover this phenomenon. This isn't the kind of thing I tend to believe without evidence, but it is at least somewhat within the realm of possibility.But it does take a special kind of credulousness to accept the possibility that not only was Tesla's discovery purposefully suppressed at the time, but the conspiracy to suppress this knowledge continued for over a century and survives to this day. Somewhere on the planet there's a cabal of conspiratories sitting on valuable knowledge discovered by Tesla that they will not reveal. Whatever the motivations of the original conspiratories, now long dead, additional conspirators were recruited from each generation to perpetuate the suppression of knowledge, each buying into the reasons for keeping the knowledge secret, and none ever breaking the code of silence by sending the paper to Nature or the New York Times.This is the kind of conspiracy that seems extremely unlikely.--Percy

I think there is a 3rd option you are not considering. His technology was supressed or abandoned because we were in the midst of working with his first generation stuff and those financing that didn't want to see all that investment go down the toilet.So the technology was lost to a degree except that Tesla lived a long time after that. In the 40s, he sent plans for various weapons designs to all the Allies including the Soviets.The theory is that research on his stuff picked up some in the 50s and in the US, picked up in the 80s under Reagan. So it's not that it was kept secret for decades by the government or anything although the denial of his patent rights did serve that function as Tesla could have self-financed the project. Just like in the 50s when the military rediscovered over the horizon radar, it may well be they looked into some of his other ideas....or that's the theory.Problem is the existence of scalar weapons really is either a well-kept secret or a myth. The strongest public statement of anyone verifying their existence was made by Defense Secretary Cohen who stated they were real and that terrorists were seeking to use such weapons to trigger earth-quakes and other disasters from remote locations by electro-magnetic means.....pretty much fit exactly what conspiracy people stated scalar weapons can do. So Cohen's statement makes me think there is something up, as well as Tesla's claims.I tend to think if Tesla could do it and gave some hints on how to do it, that others with enough effort and research could develop some of this technology and weaponize it. Whether that's the case though, it's hard to say.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

The problem is that you're taking the word of a Defense Secretary as absolute fact, and taking his words to mean that he has actual knowledge pertaining to Tesla's technology.The fact is, some people are idiots, and will mention things they don't completely understand and make an ass of themselves. I'm reminded of a general about to witness the first nuclear weapons test who said "I've witnessed every form of combustion known to man, and I can tel you that this thing cannot and will not explode." This includes individuals in a position where they can potentially posess classified information - but it's silly to assume that every comment regarding "fringe" technology somehow refers to secret projects.It's entirely possible that the US or Soviet governments posess Tesla-based technology that they are keeping secret for national security reasons. However, it's also possible that the scientific community as a whole shunned Tesla becasue of some of hs more "off-the-wall" comments. He made some very harsh criticisms of Einstein's relativity, for instance, and we know now that relativity is a highly accurate model.But here's the real damage regarding the possibility of Tesla weapons and technology posessed by the military: why haven't they been using it? All of the Tesla stuff I've heard about would be fantastically useful to military forces, and would both save countless dollars but also eliminate the need for a very large chunk of the logistics currently used for ammunition and power generation in the field.Previous "top secret" projects have been revealed when used in conflicts, like the stealth fighter and bomber in the first Gulf War. If Tesla technology is actually possessed and supressed by the government, they are not using it. That is the real reason such a conspiracy is unlikely - any general with an IQ above freezing would be jumping at the chance to use weaponry as strategically and tactically advantageous as Tesla's inventions are rumored to be. Keeping its existence a secret when it could instead be used to frighten or force enemies into submission is so ridiculously stupid that the whole conspiracy theory falls apart without any sort of evidence in its favor.

There are two parts of your scenario that seem very unlikely to me:

• Governments keeping secrets of this magnitude for decades.
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• A Tesla "scalar weapon" that can cause "earthquakes and other disasters from remote locations."

The rest seems fine.--Percy

couple of points....Tesla was not shunned because of comments on Einstein since Einstein came later, well after the mainstreamers shunned him. In reality, we wouldn't even use the power grid he devised except that Edison's was a total flop. Tesla was bankrupted, denied his patents, etc,...by financial interests and the scientific community played along with the deception. That's what happened. Einstein wasn't even on the scene when this went down.Second point is there is a good reason such weapons would not be used....same reason neither the Soviets or us nuked one another. Moreover, most of the people claiming actual knowledge of such weapons stated we were behind in it's deployment. So we couldn't use it because we didn't have it. The reports, as fantastic as they are, claim Israel had it and checked the Soviets who would have been the ones to use it, against us I might add.I think we've probably gotten up to speed but are not leading the way with this sort of technology, in part because our scientists keep saying it isn't possible. Tesla's track record on things like over the horizon radar suggests, however, that it is. In fact, there are reports even in the encyclopedia Britannica, that Tesla demonstrated this....he powered things by remote control, not just directed them by remote control, though he invented that too, but could send power wirelessly without the loss of power associated with wires.Perhaps the technology was lost with him though? Who knows, but seems odd if no one else would explore that technology as a weapon. The Soviets certainly were trying. Hard to say if they succeeded.

"seems unlikely" to you isn't the same as being so.....but it could be our government didn't keep the secret and is a latecomer to the technologyBut I'll grant you that the idea of superweapons we don't know about it is harder to accept that just wireless power being suppressed for financial interests. I'll say this......keeping the public unaware that Tesla invented radio instead of Marconi was very effective for a long time. The only reason the US came clean on this was to avoid royalty payments to Italian companies.Edited by randman, : No reason given.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

Randman, there's something that's been puzzling me for a while now. Aren't you suppose to be anti-science pro-miracle kinda dude? What's with all the support for the supposed superweapons lately, which I'm pretty sure is anything but miraculous? Or are you referring to weapons where you get on your knees, pray to god, and BOOM! god strikes down your enemies?Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

I am not anti-science at all....just anti bogus science. Additionally, recognizing miracles happen has nothing to do with being pro or anti-science. It's people's ignorance and stupidity, of what science is and is capable of, to think accepting miracles means you are anti-science, or to think rejecting miracles is part of being pro-science.Scientists that reject the idea miracles can occur based on science are hypocrites if they also don't reject they love their spouse since it's not a scientific position either!It's just silliness. Science is limited by technology and so the current state of science will always be somewhat primitive compared to the future state, assuming we continue to technologically advance.Edited by randman, : No reason given.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

It's probably worth noting that Eastlund, the inventor whose patents are associated with the government project, HAARP, cited Tesla in his patent. The Skeptic Files - SkepticFiles SettingNot much is disclosed anymore but Eastlund at one time stated the technology could be used to alter and control weather and disrupt communications, missile and planes. The US government funded it.....maybe it's part of the military's stated goal of "owning the weather."Edited by randman, : No reason given.Edited by randman, : No reason given.