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Jon
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Message 151 of 165 (377408)
01-16-2007 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by KBC1963
10-21-2006 5:45 PM


This paper is for all of those people that have looked
at the structure exhibited by life and thought it was
beyond the possibility of evolutions mechanism to acheive.

So, this paper is only directed at those who already have a presupposition to believe what you're writing? In that case, I won't waste my time.

J0N

Edited by Jon, : misplaced quote


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derwood
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Message 152 of 165 (377988)
01-19-2007 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Chiroptera
01-16-2007 2:55 PM


Yeah - and you'll notice he is pretty scarce over there...

Probably licking his wounds at ISCID with some like-minded anti-reality types... like Peter Borger...


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derwood
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Message 153 of 165 (377991)
01-19-2007 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by KBC1963
10-22-2006 7:22 PM


Re: GIGO
KBC:
quote:
To say those three are the same is not true. I make 3 dimensional models and I have modeled many items that have similar appearing forms and they are not coded the same. Each of these bones is distinctly and spacially different just as the parts on a model car differ from a real car. To assert what you have is to overlook a huge mechanical and coding difference.

Perhaps it would make this discussion more reasonable if the engineer anti-evolution types would finally realize that DNA does not work exactly like computer code does...

I know, that is a stretch, but it would rezally make thier claims a little less.... Silly and irrelevant.


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derwood
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Message 154 of 165 (382599)
02-05-2007 11:38 AM


Don't mean to pile on, but I just came across this post from KBC on another forum.

He approvingly cites the 'bombadier beetle' argument, for crying out loud!

Take home message - be very wary of folks arguing against evolution who claim not to be creationists...


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Doddy
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Message 155 of 165 (382765)
02-05-2007 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by derwood
02-05-2007 11:38 AM


derwood writes:

He approvingly cites the 'bombadier beetle' argument, for crying out loud!

Complete with the lies that:

1. A beetle would blow up if the explosion occurred in the beetle...when that's how the expulsion force is generated.

2. The two chemicals explode when mixed...when catalysts are needed to force a rapid reaction. In the lab, they just slowly oxidise and turn brown.

3. That inhibitors exist, but none have been observed.

These IDist need to do their own research, instead of quoting quotes of another person's reference to Gish's own assertions, who himself poorly translated some 45 year old German papers on the beetles.


"Der Mensch kann was er will; er kann aber nicht wollen was er will." (Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.) - Arthur Schopenhauer
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Message 156 of 165 (382782)
02-05-2007 11:36 PM
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02-05-2007 11:07 PM


Topic caution
This is marginally on topic here. Please don't carry off on that tangent.
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Peter
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Message 157 of 165 (395384)
04-16-2007 8:48 AM


Er .. let me get this straight ...
Only skimmed through this thread so bear with me -- been off-site for quite a while and am out of practice :)

Am I right in thinking that the OP has suggested that ID is the ONLY possibility because there are an infinite number of possible shapes, so random mutation plus selection couldn't possibly have created (for example) a femur shaped bone?

I would have thought that the more possibilites that exist, the easier it would be to hit upon a workable one by random mutation ... and then filter it for 'fit to the environment'.

Especially if you have a multitude of parallel attempts.

Maybe I am missing something though.


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nator
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Message 158 of 165 (395391)
04-16-2007 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by bob_gray
10-24-2006 2:10 PM


Re: Two pipes, one neck
quote:
To be fair to the design of our neck my understanding is that having one pipe allows us to swivel our heads.

I know this is an ancient thread, but I just noticed this.

The reason we have two pipes is becasue this is the way we evolved to make complex speech possible.

It does involve a tradeoff since it also makes us much more vulnerable to choking, but the benefits to the species in being able to communicate complex ideas, particularly to the next generation, far outweighs the higher number of choking deaths in the population.

With complex speech, too, we can pass on the information needed to avoid choking in the first place. :)


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derwood
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Message 159 of 165 (396498)
04-20-2007 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Peter
04-16-2007 8:48 AM


Re: Er .. let me get this straight ...
Don't expect any sort of rational response from KBC. He is a mechancial engineer, and a creationist - two great characteristics that make one's claims on any subject beyond reproach.
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Message 160 of 165 (396552)
04-20-2007 7:25 PM
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04-20-2007 11:08 AM


Re: Er .. let me get this straight ...
Pretty broad brush there.

KBC's last post was 10-24-2006 11:37 PM and this is the ONLY thread he posted on.


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Peter
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Message 161 of 165 (396713)
04-21-2007 7:56 PM
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04-20-2007 11:08 AM


Re: Er .. let me get this straight ...
One lives in hope .... ;)
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derwood
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Message 162 of 165 (416576)
08-16-2007 7:13 PM
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04-20-2007 7:25 PM


Re: Er .. let me get this straight ...
quote:
Pretty broad brush there.
KBC's last post was 10-24-2006 11:37 PM and this is the ONLY thread he posted on.


The broad brush is justified in KBCs case:

quote:
There are many specific items in this wide world that none of us know off hand however, being intelligent and a mechanical engineer allows me to solve such problems. An intelligent mechanical engineer can research the required specifics and understand how to use it. Thus biology and its concepts are only a bit of research for an engineer.

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Refpunk
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Message 163 of 165 (416679)
08-17-2007 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by KBC1963
10-21-2006 5:45 PM


God's design is inherent in every single cell and particle that scientists analyze. So scientists rely on the cause-effect workings of the very design they deny exists! So they are simply in denial of God whom they can see every single day in every particle they analyze. And they still don't understand the complete structure and complexity of the smallest particle in the universe!
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AdminWounded
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Message 164 of 165 (416681)
08-17-2007 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Refpunk
08-17-2007 10:16 AM


Hi Refpunk,

Welcome to the boards. Could you please stop dredging up old threads simply for short virtually contentless posts?

It would be greatly appreciated.

TTFN,

AW


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Message 165 of 165 (462916)
04-10-2008 12:30 PM


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