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HellboundGreaser Inactive Member |
Thanks for the welcome. Heh I didnt notice how old this thread is. My whole thake on "ID" is that it's a reworking of standard "creationism". And their whole goal is to make "evangelical" Christianity the law of the land.
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RAZD Member Posts: 20332 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
You know that, I know that, Phillip Johnson knows that ...
... the IDologists want to give the world of science a wedgie. Personally I think both sides of the design controversy need to be discussed: see Silly Design Institute: Let's discuss BOTH sides of the Design Controversy... Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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gaznewt Inactive Member |
God is Love : You are a simpleton with access to a keyboard. Well done.
Edited by gaznewt, : I had to put "God is Love:" at the start so people knew who I was replying to Edited by AdminPD, : Warning - If you must read, use the peek button.
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AdminModulous Administrator (Idle past 449 days) Posts: 897 Joined: |
And the warning won't be harshly administered.
Welcome to EvC. If you choose to stay here, then I hope you get as much out of it as I have. If you want to reply to a member in the future, please do so in a way that advances the debate. Also, I'd like to remind you to scan the Forum Rules a little more closely than you had previously. Particular attention should be paid to rule number 10. The 'ad hominem' rule, so to speak. The reason that I am giving clemency is two fold. On the one hand, you are new around here, and may not be aware of the tone of discussion we like to at least try and foster. On the other hand, you may have failed to notice that the person you are replying to typed their message almost precisely 5 years ago and it was that person's last venture to EvC (at least to post). Take care, and enjoy our fora. Please - do not reply to this message. I get grumpy when that happens. We have a thread dedicated to discussing moderator actions, the link to it is in my signature (the blue box underneath my message).
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RAZD Member Posts: 20332 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
welcome to the fray gaznewt.
That is not a reply, it is an ad hominem attack on the messenger - a logical fallacy - and says nothing about the message. This is against forum guidelines, and doesn't add anything to the debate. Nor does it discuss the topic of the thread - Irreducible Complexity (although there is not much to discuss about a concept that doesn't have any real value, predictive or explanatory) I agree with AdminPD Message 2 quote: Enjoy. ps type [qs]quote boxes are easy[/qs] and it becomes:
Edited by RAZD, : deleted comment edited by admins we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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waqasf ![]() Inactive Suspended Member |
Spam deleted.
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theTroll Junior Member (Idle past 3728 days) Posts: 2 From: Colorado Springs, CO, USA Joined: |
So far all of they holy grails of ID have been shown that they could evolve.
First there was the flagella, and it was shown to be just rearranged parts that had other functions in the cell. The eye was shown how it could evolve from just light receptive cells into an eye. Even the Blood clotting system was shown that it could evolve and that the intermediate steps would have a positive effect on the organism. The IC folks have not yet shown a single part that could not be broken down into useful parts. As for matter from energy. All you have to do is a little math. E = MC^2. Now we the math. M = E/C^2. Tada, matter from energy. theTroll
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 3061 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Are you a troll or what? Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
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Rahvin Member (Idle past 0 days) Posts: 3964 Joined: |
That's actually incorrect. Matter can be and is formed from energy,asmatter/antimatter particle pairs: quote:
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 3061 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
It was my understanding that virtual particles pairs could become actual particles by the absorption of the photos energy. Matter isn't created but merely sustained — if that's any kind of difference (???). I will investigate, but if there's anyone who wants to comment on this I'd love to hear it.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 1988 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Sorry, Rhavin, lyx2no is correct. E=mc2 does not IMPLY that energy can be turned into matter. And furthermore, you cannot create matter out of energy - in the same way you cannot create ripples out of energy. For ripples, you need water. Admittedly, you would need to ADD energy to a flat pond to create the ripples on the pond. To create an electron/positron pair, you need an electron/positron (Dirac) field, and then you need to add some energy. And finally, for lyx2no as well, the m in E=mc2 IS NOT MATTER. It is MASS. And there is nothing matter-like about mass. It is an attribute of both matter AND energy. Hope this helps :) ABE: Sorry, just noticed how OT this is. Happy to continue in another thread if desired... Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.
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theTroll Junior Member (Idle past 3728 days) Posts: 2 From: Colorado Springs, CO, USA Joined: |
Have to disagree here. Yes you get pairs, but that does not mean matter has not been created.
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970724a.html Also in matter/antimatter interactions there is a tendency for matter to come out just a little bit ahead. That is the the reason we exist. And no, I am not "a troll", I am theTroll, big difference.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 3061 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
This is partly because in a technical sense, you cannot just create matter out of energy: there are various 'conservation laws' of electric charges, the number of leptons (electron-like particles) etc., which means that you can only create matter / anti-matter pairs out of energy. The tecnical bit it that energy is a description of how much work can be performed, not a substance that can be converted into some other kind of substance. I don't know why I thought you might have been a troll. It was one of those tingling intangibles. I'm glad it was a false positive on the troll-dar. Welcome to the fray, by the way.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
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Adminnemooseus Director Posts: 3911 Joined: |
Offhand, it looks like this topic was in rather bad shape even before the current topic abandonment.
Going to close, probably in about 15 minutes. Perhaps someone would like to take the off-topic material to a new topic? Adminnemooseus
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