Author
|
Topic: Selfish gene - neodarwinian mysticism?
|
MartinV 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5855 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: 08-28-2006
|
|
Message 1 of 8 (463031)
04-11-2008 1:29 PM
|
|
|
Richard Dawkins writes in his Selfish gene, chapter "Why are people"?:
quote:
However, as we shall see, there are special circumstances in which a gene can achieve its own selfish goals best by fostering a limited form of altruism at the level of individual animals.
Page not found – Marcus du Sautoy I don't see how a lifeless matter - which a gene is - could achieve any "selfish goals". Dawkins using his "Necker cube" metaphore postulated "gene's-eye view of nature". Because genes do not have eyes and do not have will I consider the whole "selfish gene" nothing else as gnosticism or mysticism. The ancient civilisations adored the lifeless Sun. It seems to me that the modern darwinism attributes to the lifeless pieces of DNA (or genes) the will to survive and "selfishness". Edited by MartinV, : No reason given. Edited by MartinV, : I propose the question to be discussed at "Biological evolution". Edited by MartinV, : No reason given. Edited by MartinV, : No reason given. Edited by MartinV, : No reason given.
Replies to this message: | | Message 2 by AdminNosy, posted 04-11-2008 2:00 PM | | MartinV has replied |
|
AdminNosy
Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: 11-11-2003
|
|
Message 2 of 8 (463034)
04-11-2008 2:00 PM
|
Reply to: Message 1 by MartinV 04-11-2008 1:29 PM
|
|
Needs some corrections
It means the "selfish gene" somehow know ... This conclusion does not obviously follow from the statement before it. Since it is at the center of what you want to discuss I suggest that you fill in the large gap between the first two sentences. This is separate from the possibility that the first sentence is very wrong as well. I'd leave that for others once you fill in the gap.
This message is a reply to: | | Message 1 by MartinV, posted 04-11-2008 1:29 PM | | MartinV has replied |
Replies to this message: | | Message 3 by MartinV, posted 04-11-2008 2:07 PM | | AdminNosy has not replied |
|
MartinV 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5855 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: 08-28-2006
|
|
Message 3 of 8 (463039)
04-11-2008 2:07 PM
|
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNosy 04-11-2008 2:00 PM
|
|
Re: Needs some corrections
I anicipated there would be something like "anabase of Czechoslovak army in comunist Russia 1919" before the thread will be released as fit for discussion. Would you like me to quote Dawkins thoughts about "recognition" of selfish gene from his famous book? For unprejudiced non-neodarwinian admins and by-passers - the same problem I had to face with the thread "Descent of testicles". Neodarwinists didn't have any explanation of the phenomena and tried to block the discussion. Have a look at the thread. It was the AdminNosy who supported chickane of me at that time at "proposed topics". Compare the neodarwinian arguments here: http:// EvC Forum: Descent of testicles. --> EvC Forum: Descent of testicles. I have to argue with neodarinian admins here to release the thread. Their arguments were wrong regarding the latest research. I don't see why the www has the name "Evolution vs Creation". It should be named "Neodarwinism and neodarwism and nothing else is correct". Edited by MartinV, : No reason given. Edited by MartinV, : No reason given.
This message is a reply to: | | Message 2 by AdminNosy, posted 04-11-2008 2:00 PM | | AdminNosy has not replied |
Replies to this message: | | Message 4 by Admin, posted 04-11-2008 2:31 PM | | MartinV has replied |
|
Admin
Director Posts: 13036 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 2.1
|
|
Message 4 of 8 (463041)
04-11-2008 2:31 PM
|
Reply to: Message 3 by MartinV 04-11-2008 2:07 PM
|
|
Re: Needs some corrections
If you feel your are being treated unfairly then you should post your concerns over at Windsor castle. Please leave such issues out of this forum.
MartinV writes: Would you like me to quote Dawkins thoughts about "recognition" of selfish gene from his famous book? This would be the preferred approach.
-- | Percy | | EvC Forum Director |
This message is a reply to: | | Message 3 by MartinV, posted 04-11-2008 2:07 PM | | MartinV has replied |
Replies to this message: | | Message 5 by MartinV, posted 04-11-2008 3:24 PM | | Admin has not replied |
|
MartinV 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5855 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: 08-28-2006
|
|
Message 5 of 8 (463046)
04-11-2008 3:24 PM
|
Reply to: Message 4 by Admin 04-11-2008 2:31 PM
|
|
Re: Needs some corrections
I've posted my complaint to the link you recommended.
This message is a reply to: | | Message 4 by Admin, posted 04-11-2008 2:31 PM | | Admin has not replied |
Replies to this message: | | Message 6 by AdminNosy, posted 04-11-2008 4:29 PM | | MartinV has replied |
|
AdminNosy
Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: 11-11-2003
|
|
Message 6 of 8 (463051)
04-11-2008 4:29 PM
|
Reply to: Message 5 by MartinV 04-11-2008 3:24 PM
|
|
Moving forward faster
You might find that fixing the gaps in your OP would move things along faster. I'll leave this to Admin now.
This message is a reply to: | | Message 5 by MartinV, posted 04-11-2008 3:24 PM | | MartinV has replied |
Replies to this message: | | Message 7 by MartinV, posted 04-11-2008 9:34 PM | | AdminNosy has not replied |
|
MartinV 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5855 days) Posts: 502 From: Slovakia, Bratislava Joined: 08-28-2006
|
|
Message 7 of 8 (463081)
04-11-2008 9:34 PM
|
Reply to: Message 6 by AdminNosy 04-11-2008 4:29 PM
|
|
Re: Moving forward faster
I've just rewrited my introduction post completely. Is it ok now?
This message is a reply to: | | Message 6 by AdminNosy, posted 04-11-2008 4:29 PM | | AdminNosy has not replied |
|
AdminNosy
Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: 11-11-2003
|
|
Message 8 of 8 (463102)
04-12-2008 1:56 AM
|
|
|
Thread copied to the Selfish gene - neodarwinian mysticism? thread in the Biological Evolution forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.
|