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Message 56 of 81 (463148)
04-12-2008 3:14 PM
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Re: Tesla and conspiracies
Actually, Tesla did insist the layer was there, from what I have read, but he also insisted it could be done without it.

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Message 60 of 81 (463159)
04-12-2008 4:25 PM
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Re: Tesla and conspiracies
not exactly science papers, but from a quick search....
The BBC film Masters of the Ionosphere features Nikola Tesla as the first scientist in the world who wanted to utilize the ionosphere for the benefit of humanity. The ionosphere is the ionic-charged part of the atmosphere, important for the transmission of radio waves. It is the earth’s shield from solar radiation. Today, most global radio communications depends on the ionosphere. The existence of the ionosphere is known since the 19th Century.
Note also (just as an aside so people know more about Tesla):
....100 years ago when Nikola Tesla demonstrated the invention of the robot in New York City. In 1898 he filed and was granted a patent which described radio remote control for use in guided vehicles. Space exploration developed from this first building block. Tesla publicly demonstrated his first working model of a robot guided by radio waves. This device was unveiled to many astonished viewers at the Electrical Exposition held at Madison Square Garden in May 1898. This was front page news in America at that time. It was the first time that the radio waves were used to guide a movement of a robot-eleven years before Marconi was awarded the Nobel Prize for the discovery of radio in 1909. This historic moment at Madison Square Garden in New York City in 1898 showed what marvels could be achieved by using radio waves. It was the beginning of robots and robotics, radio guided missiles and remote control.
Nikola Tesla and the exploration of Cosmos
I will look for more....gotta run and do an errand...this was just the first thing I noticed when googling.

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Message 61 of 81 (463166)
04-12-2008 5:15 PM


more on Tesla....
As Tesla experimented with a 1.5 MW system in 1899 at Colorado Springs, he was amazed to find that pulses of electricity he sent out passed across the entire globe returned with “undiminished strength.” He said, “It was a result so unbelievable that the revelation at first almost stunned me.”9 This verified the tremendous efficiency of his peculiar method of pumping current into a spherical ball to charge it up before discharging it as a pulse of electrical energy, a >“longitudinal” acoustic-type of compression wave, rather than an electromagnetic Hertzian-type of transverse wave. It was therefore, more akin to electrostatic discharge than wave mechanics.
Tesla also planned to include a stationary resonant wave creation globally, within the earth-ionosphere cavity, as part of the wireless transmission of power. Examining the pair of 1900 patents #645,576 and #649,621 each using the same figure on the first page, we find in the first patent that Tesla has designed a quarter-wave antenna (50 miles of secondary coil wire for a 200 mile long wavelength). More importantly is the sphere on the top which is supposed to be a conductive surface on a balloon raised high enough to be radiating in “rarefied air.”10
As Tesla states,
That communication without wires to any point of the globe is practical with such apparatus would need no demonstration, but through a discovery which I made I obtained absolute certainty. Popularly explained it is exactly this: When we raise the voice and hear an echo in reply, we know that the sound of the voice must have reached a distant wall, or boundary, and must have been reflected from the same. Exactly as the sound, so an electrical wave is reflected, and the same evidence which is afforded by an echo is offered by an electrical phenomena known as a ”stationary’ wave - that is, a wave with fixed nodal and ventral regions. Instead of sending sound vibrations toward a distant wall, I have sent electrical vibrations toward the remote boundaries of the earth, and instead of the wall, the earth has replied. In place of an echo, I have obtained a stationary electrical wave, a wave reflected from afar. 11
Nikola Tesla’s discovery of pulsed propagation of energy does not resemble the standard transverse electromagnetic waves so familiar to electrical engineers everywhere. Many engineers and physicists have dismissed Tesla’s wireless energy transmission as unscientific without examining the unusual characteristics and benefits of longitudinal waves, which are the z-component solutions of Maxwell equations.
Tesla wrote,
That electrical energy can be economically transmitted without wires to any terrestrial distance, I have unmistakably established in numerous observations, experiments and measurements, qualitative and quantitative. These have demonstrated that it is practicable to distribute power from a central plant in unlimited amounts, with a loss not exceeding a small fraction of one per cent in the transmission, even to the greatest distance, twelve thousand miles - to the opposite end of the globe. 12
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Tesla states, “The first World System power plant can be put in operation in nine months. With this power plant it will be practicable to attain electrical activities up to 10 million horsepower (7.5 billion watts), and it is designed to serve for as many technical achievements as are possible without due expense.”14
Tesla’s calculated power levels are conservatively estimated and recently updated with contemporary physics calculations by Dr. Elizabeth Rauscher. For example, Professor Rauscher shows that the earth’s ionosphere and magnetosphere contains sufficient potential energy, at least 3 billion kilowatts (3 terawatts) respectively, so that the resonant excitation of the earth-ionosphere cavity can reasonably be expected to increase the amplitude of natural “Schumann” frequencies, facilitating the capture of useful electrical power.
Tesla knew that the earth could be treated as one big spherical conductor and the ionosphere as another bigger spherical conductor, so that together they have parallel plates and thus, comprise a “spherical capacitor.”15 Rauscher calculates the capacitance to be about 15,000 microfarads for the complete earth-ionosphere cavity capacitor. In 1952, W. O. Schumann predicted the “self-oscillations” of the conducting sphere of the earth, surrounded by an air layer and ionosphere, without knowing that Tesla had found the earth’s fundamental frequency fifty years earlier.16
“All that is necessary,” says Dr. James Corum, "is that Tesla’s transmitter power and carrier frequency be capable of round-the-world propagation." In fact, Tesla (in the L.A. Times, Dec. 1904) stated,
With my transmitter I actually sent electrical vibrations around the world and received them again, and I then went on to develop my machinery.
Dr. Corum notes in an article on the ELF (extremely low frequency) oscillator of Tesla’s that the tuned circuit of Tesla’s magnifying transmitter was the whole earth-ionosphere cavity.17
Corum explains that a mechanical analog of the lumped circuit Tesla coil is an easier model for engineers to understand.18 From a mechanical engineering viewpoint, the “magnifying factor” can be successfully applied to such a circuit. “The circuit is limited only by the circuit resistance. At resonance, the current through the circuit rises until the voltage across the resistance is equal to the source voltage. This circuit was a source of deep frustration to Edison because voltmeter readings taken around the loop did not obey Kirchoff’s laws!” As a result, Edison claimed such a circuit was only good for electrocution chairs.
Dr. Rauscher quotes Tesla:
Later he compared it to a Van de Graaff generator. He also explained the purpose of Wardenclyffe...’one does not need to be an expert to understand that a device of this kind is not a producer of electricity like a dynamo, but merely a receiver or collector with amplifying qualities.’”21
Only a few great physicists like Drs. Elizabeth Rauscher, James Corum, and Konstantin Meyl, 22 have realized that Tesla was very practical when he proposed the resonant generation and wireless transmission of useful electrical power. Tesla’s knowledge of atmospheric electricity transduction was so extensive and reliable that Jim Corum, who has been funded to continue Tesla’s work, recently told me, “You just have to do exactly what Telsa did and you will consistently get the same results he did.”23
After returning from his experiments at Colorado Springs in 1900, Nikola Tesla stated:
If we use fuel to get our power, we are living on our capital and exhausting it rapidly. This method is barbarous and wantonly wasteful and will have to be stopped in the interest of coming generations. 24
In view of our present fossil-fuel-caused global warming, Tesla seems very prophetic from his vantage point of a century ago.
High Transmission Integrity and Low Loss
Tesla clearly states,
As to the transmission of power through space, that is a project which I considered absolutely certain of success long since. Years ago I was in the position to transmit wireless power to any distance without limit other than that imposed by the physical dimensions of the globe. In my system it makes no difference what the distance is. The efficiency of the transmission can be as high as 96 or 97 per cent, and there are practically no losses except such as are inevitable in the running of the machinery. When there is no receiver there is no energy consumption anywhere. When the receiver is put on, it draws power. That is the exact opposite of the Hertz-wave system. In that case, if you have a plant of 1,000 horsepower (750 kW), it is radiating all the time whether the energy is received or not; but in my system no power is lost. When there are no receivers, the plant consumes only a few horsepower necessary to maintain the vibration; it runs idle, as the Edison plant when the lamps and motors are shut off.25
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Dr. Rauscher quotes Tesla:
Later he compared it to a Van de Graaff generator. He also explained the purpose of Wardenclyffe...’one does not need to be an expert to understand that a device of this kind is not a producer of electricity like a dynamo, but merely a receiver or collector with amplifying qualities.’”21
Only a few great physicists like Drs. Elizabeth Rauscher, James Corum, and Konstantin Meyl, 22 have realized that Tesla was very practical when he proposed the resonant generation and wireless transmission of useful electrical power. Tesla’s knowledge of atmospheric electricity transduction was so extensive and reliable that Jim Corum, who has been funded to continue Tesla’s work, recently told me, “You just have to do exactly what Telsa did and you will consistently get the same results he did.”23
After returning from his experiments at Colorado Springs in 1900, Nikola Tesla stated:
If we use fuel to get our power, we are living on our capital and exhausting it rapidly. This method is barbarous and wantonly wasteful and will have to be stopped in the interest of coming generations. 24
In view of our present fossil-fuel-caused global warming, Tesla seems very prophetic from his vantage point of a century ago.
High Transmission Integrity and Low Loss
Tesla clearly states,
As to the transmission of power through space, that is a project which I considered absolutely certain of success long since. Years ago I was in the position to transmit wireless power to any distance without limit other than that imposed by the physical dimensions of the globe. In my system it makes no difference what the distance is. The efficiency of the transmission can be as high as 96 or 97 per cent, and there are practically no losses except such as are inevitable in the running of the machinery. When there is no receiver there is no energy consumption anywhere. When the receiver is put on, it draws power. That is the exact opposite of the Hertz-wave system. In that case, if you have a plant of 1,000 horsepower (750 kW), it is radiating all the time whether the energy is received or not; but in my system no power is lost. When there are no receivers, the plant consumes only a few horsepower necessary to maintain the vibration; it runs idle, as the Edison plant when the lamps and motors are shut off.25
ExtraOrdinary Technology | Vol 1 No 4 | Tesla‘s Wireless Energy... For the 21st Century!!!
I post this to illustrate a bit of Tesla's claims. Specifically, pay ateention to this comment:
one does not need to be an expert to understand that a device of this kind is not a producer of electricity like a dynamo, but merely a receiver or collector with amplifying qualities
What Tesla was talking about is a way to harness the energy that is already there all the time and in abundance. Of course, this system is not the extent of what he was doing, and it seems the discussion of superweapons perhaps goes beyond this, but nevertheless, it's not so impossible to imagine ways to weaponize the technology to produce power at any coordinate.
From the above discussion, the question would be how to cause power to appear without a receiver apparatus on the other end. The proposed ideas are utilyzing several beginning points so that there is a cross-section of longtudinal waves affecting a specific point in space-time.....whether such has occurred and such weapons are real, it's hard to say.
We know the HAARP system, which is not a superweapon per se but does employ Tesla's ideas, can be used to and probably is to accomplish things with military interest. Eastlund says it can be used to disrupt communications, missles, planes and modify weather, for example.

  
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Message 63 of 81 (463172)
04-12-2008 5:40 PM
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Re: Tesla and conspiracies
I will say this....Tesla did talk of bouncing waves off a layer in the atmosphere and people do credit him with using the ionosphere, which is what I read. However, it appears that statements he made later in life suggest he was not talking about the ionosphere.
But you are mistaken to assume because he talks of one method of doing something, that this is the only method he considered and discussed. Moreover, using the ionosphere is not the only means to accomplish over the horizon radar. One can use "creeping waves" as well.
On the point of electrons and particles, Tesla's view when you think about is closer to what we now think than you may realize. Tesla considered everything as resonating frequency.....so the particle is held together by a cross-section of energy from the ether or vacuum....or put another way, from the quantum field, and is not so much a thing in itself as a produce of the field.
Is that so different from quantum field thinking?

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Message 64 of 81 (463174)
04-12-2008 5:54 PM
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Tesla's own words....
It may be helpful to look at some things he actually stated.....the link given is a reference with quotes I found interesting.
Selected Tesla Writings -- Table of Contents
It seems that I have always been ahead of my time. I had to wait nineteen years before Niagara was harnessed by my system, fifteen years before the basic inventions for wireless which I gave to the world in 1893 were applied universally. I announced the cosmic ray and my theory of radio activity in 1896. One of my most important discoveries”terrestrial resonance”which is the foundation of wireless power transmission and which I announced in 1899, is not understood even today. Nearly two years after I had flashed an electric current around the globe, Edison, Steinmetz, Marconi, and others declared that it would not be possible to transmit even signals by wireless across the Atlantic.
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"Famous Scientific Illusions" by Nikola Tesla

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Message 65 of 81 (463178)
04-12-2008 6:42 PM
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Re: Tesla and conspiracies
Can you substantiate Tesla did not believe electons were real. My understanding is he predicted what we call quarks.
http://www.leyada.jlm.k12.il/proj/edsntsla/hist3.htm
http://205.243.100.155/frames/tesla2.html
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Message 70 of 81 (463187)
04-12-2008 9:01 PM
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Re: Tesla's own words....
It's hard to tell if you are just being disingenius or not.
Had you ever heard of Tesla before a few days ago?
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Message 71 of 81 (463188)
04-12-2008 9:05 PM
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Re: Tesla and conspiracies
Tesla said that over the horizon radar was possible due to effects unique to his theory, the same theory that he used as a basis for his projectile weapons.
what projectile weapons are you referring to? microwave? particle beam?

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Message 72 of 81 (463196)
04-12-2008 11:07 PM


interesting analysis of Tesla's wireless claims

  
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Message 73 of 81 (463199)
04-12-2008 11:18 PM


understanding Tesla
I think if we are going to assess whether Tesla technology can be weaponized into superweapons, we need to look more at what he was doing and hence some of my posts:
On July 3, 1899, Tesla discovered terrestrial stationary waves within the earth. He demonstrated that the Earth behaves as a smooth polished conductor and possesses electrical vibrations. He experimented with waves characterized by a lack of vibration at points, between which areas of maximum vibration occur periodically. These standing waves were produced by confining waves within constructed conductive boundaries. Tesla demonstrated that the Earth could respond at predescribed frequencies of electrical vibrations. At this time, Tesla realized that it was possible to transceive power around the globe. A few years later, George Westinghouse stopped funding Tesla's research when Tesla showed him that he could offer free electricity to the whole world by simply "ramming a stick in the earth in your backyard". Westinghouse said he would go bankrupt if that happened.
Tesla conducted experiments contributing to the understanding of electromagnetic propagation and the Earth's resonance. It is well documented (from various photos from the time) that he lit hundreds of lamps wirelessly at a distance of up to twenty-five miles (40 km). He transmitted signals several kilometres and lit neon tubes conducting through the ground. He researched ways to transmit energy wirelessly over long distances. He transmitted extremely low frequencies through the ground in his experiments and made mathematical calculations and computations based on his experiments and discovered that the resonant frequency of the Earth was approximately 8 Hz (Hertz). In the 1950s, researchers confirmed resonant frequency was in this range (interesting to note, Theta brain waves also cycle in this range).
When Nikola Tesla discovered alternating current (AC) electricity, he had great difficulty convincing men of his time to believe in it. Thomas Edison was in favor of direct current (DC) electricity and opposed AC electricity strenuously. Tesla eventually sold his rights to his alternating current patents to George Westinghouse for $1,000,000. After paying off his investors, Tesla spent his remaining funds on his other inventions and culminated his efforts in a major breakthrough in 1899 at Colorado Springs by transmitting 100 million volts of high-frequency electric power wirelessly over a distance of 26 miles at which he lit up a bank of 200 light bulbs and ran one electric motor! With this souped up version of his Tesla coil, Tesla claimed that only 5% of the transmitted energy was lost in the process. But broke of funds again, he looked for investors to back his project of broadcasting electric power in almost unlimited amounts to any point on the globe. The method he would use to produce this wireless power was to employ the earth's own resonance with its specific vibrational frequency to conduct AC electricity via a large electric oscillator. When J.P. Morgan agreed to underwrite Tesla's project, a strange structure was begun and almost completed near Wardenclyffe in Long Island, N.Y. Looking like a huge lattice-like, wooden oil derrick with a mushroom cap, it had a total height of 200 feet. Then suddenly, Morgan withdrew his support to the project in 1906, and eventually the structure was dynamited and brought down in 1917.
........A Tesla coil is a special transformer that can take the 110 volt electricity from your house and convert it rapidly to a great deal of high-voltage, high-frequency, low-amperage power. The high-frequency output of even a small Tesla coil can light up fluorescent tubes held several feet away without any wire connections. Even a large number of spent or discarded fluorescent tubes (their burned out cathodes are irrelevant) will light up if hung near a long wire running from a Tesla coil while using less than 100 watts drawn by the coil itself when plugged into an electrical outlet! Since the Tesla coil steps up the voltage to such a high degree, the alternating oscillations achieve sufficient excitations within the tubes of gases to produce lighting at a minimal expense of original power! Fluorescent tubes can be held under high-tension wires to produce the same lighting up effect. Remember the farmer a few years ago who was caught with an adaptive transformer under a set of high tension lines that ran over his property? Through the air, he pulled down all the power he needed to run his farm without using any connecting apparatus to the lines overhead! Any electrical engineer with the proper materials can do the same thing.
........When Tesla was determining the resonant frequencies of the earth to potentially transmit unlimited electric power, he also recognized frequencies that acted as a damping field to nullify electric power. With the advent of the wireless and Tesla's unique investigations into broadcasting electricity, a dozen or more inventors thereafter announced their own means for transmitting electrical energy without wires. One British inventor, H. Grindell-Matthews, actually demonstrated his "mystery ray" apparatus in 1924 to a Popular Science Monthly writer in London (See: Pop. Sci. Monthly, Aug. 1924, P. 33). When his beam was directed toward the magneto system of a gasoline engine, it stopped the system. Afterwards, it ignited gun powder, lit an electric lamp bulb from a distance and killed a mouse in seconds! Grindell-Matthews said the secret was involved with the "carrier beam" he used to conduct a high-voltage, low-frequency electrical current. During 1936, Guglielmo Marconi experimented with extremely low frequency (ELF) waves and displayed their exceptional ability to penetrate metallic shielding. These waves could affect electrical devices, overload circuits and cause machines like generators, electric motors and automobiles to stall. Diesel engines, which do not rely on electrical ignition, were not affected. Mysteriously, Marconi's research on the subject was never found after the war.
Page not found - WORLD MYSTERIES
Please keep in mind posting something from a web-site that conveys some experiments and facts does not mean everything, in terms of views, from the website is intended to be taken as valid.
For this thread, the ability to transmit power without significant loss wirelessly over long distances and to create beams, such as what some others demonstrated as well, that can be weaponized is potentially useful to this discussion.
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Message 74 of 81 (463200)
04-13-2008 12:27 AM


Tesla's papers
One of the reasons people speculate on Tesla technology is that his papers were seized by the US government and are still largely classified. You can do some research on this, but there are first-hand reports of scientists that have clearance for all sorts of things such as nuclear weaponry that still cannot review Tesla's papers.
Immediately after Tesla's death became known, the Federal Bureau of Investigation instructed the government's Alien Property Custodian office to take possession of his papers and property, despite his US citizenship. His safe at the hotel was also opened. At the time of his death, Tesla had been continuing work on the teleforce weapon, or death ray, that he had unsuccessfully marketed to the US War Department. It appears that his proposed death ray was related to his research into ball lightning and plasma and was imagined as a particle beam weapon. The US government did not find a prototype of the device in the safe. After the FBI was contacted by the War Department, his papers were declared to be top secret. The so-called "peace ray" constitutes a part of some conspiracy theories as a means of destruction. The personal effects were seized on the advice of presidential advisers, and J. Edgar Hoover declared the case "most secret", because of the nature of Tesla's inventions and patents.[91] One document states that "[he] is reported to have some 80 trunks in different places containing transcripts and plans having to do with his experiments [...]". Charlotte Muzar reported that there were several "missing" papers and property.
Statue of Nikola Tesla in Niagara Falls State Park on Goat Island, New York; There is another statue with Tesla standing in Queen Victoria Park on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls.[92]Tesla's family and the Yugoslav embassy struggled with the American authorities to gain these items after his death due to the potential significance of some of his research. Eventually, his nephew, Sava Kosanovi, got possession of some of his personal effects which are now housed in the Nikola Tesla Museum in Belgrade, Serbia.
Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia
Now, it could be a beaurocratic mix-up or general fear, but why would the US government treat his papers (his notes), at least some of them, as so significant to national security to warrant such a drastic and high level security?
Sure, it "could be" just a matter of their never being declassified, but why? If he was such a crackpot with no real new discoveries since the late 19th century, why in the mid-1940s and until today are his notes so important in the first place?
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Message 75 of 81 (463202)
04-13-2008 1:12 AM


here's another reason some suspect superweapon technology
There is another possible - if wildly improbable - cause of the mysterious event at Tunguska in 1908 (7 September, p 14). One of Nikola Tesla's great projects was the wireless transformation of energy over large distances. He believed that this could be harnessed in war to destroy incoming attacks from over 300 kilometres away.
Tesla built his "death ray" at Wardencliffe on Long Island, and it is a possible that he tested it one night in 1908. The story goes something like this. At the time, Robert Peary was trekking to the North Pole and Tesla asked him to look out for unusual activity. On the evening of 30 June 1908, Tesla aimed his death ray towards the Arctic and turned it on. Tesla then watched the newspapers and sent telegrams to Peary, but heard about nothing unusual in the Arctic.
Page not found | New Scientist
Associating Tesla with the Tunguska event comes close to putting the inventor's power transmission idea in the same speculative category as ancient astronauts. However, historical facts point to the possibility that this event was caused by a test firing of Tesla's energy weapon.
In 1907 and 1908, Tesla wrote about the destructive effects of his energy transmitter. His Wardenclyffe facility was much larger than the Colorado Springs device that destroyed the power station's generator. Then, in 1915, he stated bluntly:
It is perfectly practical to transmit electrical energy without wires and produce destructive effects at a distance. I have already constructed a wireless transmitter which makes this possible. ... But when unavoidable [it] may be used to destroy property and life. The art is already so far developed that the great destructive effects can be produced at any point on the globe, defined beforehand with great accuracy (emphasis added).(30)
He seems to confess to such a test having taken place before 1915, and, though the evidence is circumstantial, Tesla had the motive and the means to cause the Tunguska event. His transmitter could generate energy levels and frequencies capable of releasing the destructive force of 10 megatons, or more, of TNT. And the overlooked genius was desperate.
The nature of the Tunguska event, also, is consistent with what would happen during the sudden release of wireless power. No fiery object was reported in the skies at that time by professional or amateur astronomers as would be expected when a 200,000,000 pound object enters the atmosphere at tens of thousands miles an hour. Also, the first reporters, from the town of Tomsk, to reach the area judged the stories about a body falling from the sky was the result of the imagination of an impressionable people. He noted there was considerable noise coming from the explosion, but no stones fell. The absence of an impact crater can be explained by there having been no material body to impact. An explosion caused by broadcast power would not leave a crater.
In contrast to the ice comet collision theory, reports of upper atmosphere and magnetic disturbances coming from other parts of the world at the time of and just after the Tunguska event point to massive changes in earth's electrical condition. Baxter and Atkins cite in their study of the explosion, The Fire Came By, that the Times of London editorialized about "slight, but plainly marked, disturbances of ... magnets," which the writer, not knowing then of the explosion, associated with solar prominences.(31)
In Berlin, the New York Times of July 3rd reported unusual colors in the evening skies thought to be Northern Lights: "Remarkable lights were observed in the northern heavens ... bright diffused white and yellow illumination continuing through the night until it disappears at dawn."(32)Massive glowing "silvery clouds" covered Siberia and northern Europe. A scientist in Holland told of an "undulating mass" moving across the northwest horizon. It seemed to him not to be a cloud, but the "sky itself seemed to undulate." A woman north of London wrote the London Times that on midnight of July 1st the sky glowed so brightly it was possible to read large print inside her house. A meteorological observer in England recounted on the nights of June 30th and July 1st:
A strong orange yellow light became visible in the north and northeast... causing an undue prolongation of twilight lasting to daybreak on July 1st...There was a complete absence of scintillation or flickering, and no tendency for the formation of streamers, or a luminous arch, characteristic of auroral phenomena...Twilight on both of these night was prolonged to daybreak, and there was no real darkness.(33)
The report that most closely ties these strange cosmic happenings with Tesla's power transmission scheme is that while the sky was aglow with this eerie light it was possible to clearly see ships at sea for miles in the middle of the night.(34) Tesla specifically claimed this as one of the effects he could achieve with his high power transmitter. Of particular importance is that none of his claims for lighting the ocean appeared before 1908.(35)
Tesla Wireless and the Tunguska Explosion
Personally, I don't think we know for sure what happened, but the speculation is either a comet or meteor that exploded and so didn't leave a crater....the Tesla theory is the most fantastical theory put forward that I am aware of. Nevertheless,if the story is true that Tesla was testing his ray that very night....the coincidence factor is pretty interesting.
I'd like to see more original documents verifying he indeed was testing his ray that night, and that he believed it caused the event, as is reported.
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Message 76 of 81 (463204)
04-13-2008 2:32 AM


not to bore people but....
Tesla's chief interest lay in experimenting with energy (electromagnetic spectrum) not general physics theory, and we use his early discoveries today as the basis for our current electrical and radio technology, but Tesla insisted when these things were being put to use that people were using less efficient means of such systems. The reason we adopted such systems, despite their inefficiency according to Tesla, is easily explained by basic economics. JP Morgan, one of Tesla's financiers, flat out stated if Tesla's wireless power system was adopted, he could only make money selling the antennas, and so promptly cut his funding. Westinghouse also refused to go further for the same concerns.
Why obsolete wired power when so much money could be made on it? So we use Tesla's first generation stuff.
The question is how much further did Tesla go in his research and how much further can we?
A recent discovery I found interesting is the apparent production of terrestrial gamma rays associated with lightning. We know Tesla generated man-made lightning and experimented greatly.....one wonders what secrets he alone understood and are lost, in part, because of simple economics.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2005/05/050502190314.htm
It is thought that Tesla could produce ball lightning and once had to smash his apparatus with a sledgehammer to stop the energy tap from continuing to increase.
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Message 79 of 81 (463224)
04-13-2008 2:10 PM
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04-13-2008 8:38 AM


Re: Tesla's own words....
Of course, but your claims about Tesla seem more mythological than factual
Which specific claims? You do not even seem to be aware of what my claims, which are just Tesla's, and you don't seem that well-educated on Tesla in general.
Do I think he invented, developed or was an earlier pioneer of:
radio
the power grid and type of electricity we use today
radar
the induction motor
remote control
voice recognition technology within remote control
flurescent lighting
turbines that are more efficient and still just being developed today
X-rays
etc,...
yes.
Do I buy his claims of a wireless power distribution? Yes.
It's very clear why we didn't go with his system despite it being more efficient, and the reason is economic.
Do I think it's possible he did develop and test a weaponized ray?
Yes, but we have less evidence for that. Considering his understanding of frequency and his claims, I think it's safer to bet he was correct than not.
Has his later technology been weaponized? Hard to say since we only use his first generation stuff commercially available.
Did the US government seize and classify his papers, suggesting they considered his claims at least potentially credible?
Yes.
As far as superweapons, it's hard to say. His technology remains classified, and later in his life (well after he developed some of the items above), he sufferred under great stress due to poverty.
Nevertheless, his research and development of electricity and other frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum is in some respects unparralled, and it seems likely many secrets died with him, as commercial interests did not wish to fund technology that would obsolete the massive profit making systems of electrical production. Utilities are big business.
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Message 80 of 81 (463226)
04-13-2008 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Percy
04-13-2008 8:38 AM


Re: Tesla's own words....
Btw, Tesla was first and foremost interested in developing specific apparatus. No need for a secret theory is warranted....that's just you putting up BS, if you don't mind my saying.
It's important to realize, as I showed with terrestrial gamma rays being discovered, that we don't have a firm understanding of the areas Tesla worked in. So we have theories but they are just that. Tesla's ideas or some of them concerning electricity and power may well be correct. We cannot say for sure how lightning works for one, although Tesla was pretty good at creating and manipulating artificial lightning.
Tesla claimed he could dampen waves or convert power to a wave which propagated like a sound wave and didn't spread out in all directions. That's a huge part of why he insisted the way we employ wireless technology and his own polyphased A/C wired system was inefficient and wasteful. Considering he was a master at taking energy and changing it into different frequences for use and that to this day, over 100 years later, we still rely in his earliest work and discoveries, I think it't reasonable to take his claims of being able to produce or tap into longitidunal waves as very credible.
In other words, whom should we believe? Percy or the guy that gave us all this stuff we use today?
Wonder why someone would think Tesla was credible.....hmmm
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