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Author Topic:   100 Categories of Evidence Against Noah’s Flood
bluegenes
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Message 55 of 96 (463346)
04-15-2008 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Rrhain
04-15-2008 1:42 AM


Re: Canopy Hypothesis Likelyhood
Rrhain writes:
So long as there is any dry land anywhere, there is geometrically not enough water to flood the planet for if there were, then the planet would already be flooded. That's what makes a global flood impossible: You either are flooded or you never can be.
Unless you have ice caps that you can melt. If you've got a smooth surface to the earth with just one bump forming a piece of land in the middle-east on which all the people and all the land animals are living, then a world wide flood is possible.
It requires enough water trapped in the ice caps to cover the highest points on the land, which means the "mountains" can only be a few hundred feet high, and this scenario cannot explain the post-flood earth as it is now, so it's no use to creationists. But basically, the earth heats up, melting the ice caps, then cools down, reforming them, and a world-wide flood has come and gone without adding any water to the system.
Interestingly, a completely smooth earth would always be flooded, so the tectonic activity has to counterbalance erosion, and keep it nicely rumpled. If it didn't work that way, we'd still have gills.

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bluegenes
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Message 64 of 96 (463429)
04-16-2008 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Rrhain
04-16-2008 6:56 AM


Smooth earth!
Rrhain writes:
bluegenes writes:
Interestingly, a completely smooth earth would always be flooded
I know. That's my point. Since we're talking about GLOBAL effects, then the earth is either always flooded or never can be. If there were enough water to flood the earth, then it would be flooded right now. Since it is not flooded, then it is geometrically impossible to do so.
I know you know. And I agree, unless we magically add water to the system, then subtract it. What I was trying to think up was a way for a flood to become global for a year without addition or subtraction of water to the system. So, the earth would have to be smooth and ocean covered except for one low lying piece of land. Imagine Holland sticking above the surface. Then the earth warms enough to melt the ice caps, then cools during the year to re-form them.
However, thinking about it, there would also have to be bumps at the poles, because it is only ice on land that significantly raises sea levels. There would also have to be more ice than there is at present, presumably, as the Greenland and Antarctic ice is worth (I think) about a 400 foot rise in sea levels if it melts now, but in my scenario the ocean has a much larger surface area.
Even if this is possible, it doesn't seem to be much use to creationists, as the post flood tectonic plate movement necessary to give us the present lay of the land poses even more problems than the flood. They might take up the idea, though, because the rapid warming of the earth might cause lots of evaporation and rain from above, and the ice melting very quickly might account for the waters from below mentioned in the Bible. Also, just one piece of land makes it much easier for Noah to get all the animals on the Ark.
So, maybe I'll start a meme, and we'll see a version of the "great ice melt/smooth earth" theory on Answers In Genesis in a couple of years' time. If so, I'll want some royalties from the T-shirts and crap that they sell.

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