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Dr Adequate
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Message 33 of 52 (460117)
03-12-2008 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Lyston
03-08-2008 4:49 PM


Close, but no. More of, from what I understand from the pamphlet "That was pretty complex for back then, seeing as organisms still have such a structure."
And the sheer depth of confusion that that exhibits makes it hard to answer.
How complex should structures have been back in the Cambrian? Why should a successful structure be removed from living organisms? How?
I can see that the person who wrote your pamphlet is making some collosal mistake, but he's not even specific enough to say what mistake he's making.
It's like trying to punch a fog.
If you will hazard a guess at what point he was trying to prove, I shall explain why he's wrong.
Imagine that you were an expert in physics, and someone came up to you and said "Gold weighs more than it should, and this disproves the theory of gravity", then you'd want to ask him a few questions, like how much should gold weigh, and what the heck he thinks the theory of gravity is, and how it bears on the weight of gold.
I think that a lot of people trying to answer this question have misunderstood it. But this is not to their blame --- what the heck is there in that question that they should have understood?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 39 of 52 (460446)
03-15-2008 5:21 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Lyston
03-15-2008 2:13 AM


You will not find more about what it says on the eyes even if you were holding the thing. It's called "Six Things Evolutionists Do Not Want You To Know" with 'The Trilobite Eye' being number 5.
And this sort of rhetoric is singularly dishonest.
The only reason creationists know anything about trilobites the fossil record is because "evolutionists", specifically paleontologists, have spent a lot of time and effort studying trilobites and have published their results. He wouldn't know what a trilobite was if it wasn't for the "evolutionists" he whines about. And then the ungrateful shit has the nerve to sit on his fat idle arse and moan about how evolutionists "don't want you to know" about trilobites.
Funny how they appear in every sodding book about the history of evolution, then, isn't it?
I don't suppose he mentions how the earliest trilobites are eyeless, does he? We evolutionists would like you to know that, too.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 45 of 52 (461975)
03-29-2008 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by TheWay
03-27-2008 5:48 PM


Re: So easy a caveman could do it...
Unfortunately your hypothetical 'just so' story didn't involve enough reality to keep my interest. Use more action and drama next time.
If you find science boring, could I suggest that you take up a less demanding hobby?
I take special issue with this form of guile. If I take common descent as prescribed, I would never use the word "easy" to describe millions of years of change. A remote control for television is a device that could be used to denote "easy."
Your ability to wilfully misinterpret what other people are saying to you is not evidence of their "guile", but your own.
I would like you to elaborate on these transitional forms, and be specific please. I am currently researching the topic of transitional forms and transitional eyes would be greatly appreciated.
The Molluscae display all the intermediate forms in what you describe as a "hypothetical just-so story".
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Would you like to elaborate on how God made eyes by magic? No, thought not.
Creationists don't get to whine about "just-so stories", pal. 'Cos that's all you've got. God just said it should be so, and it just was so.

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Message 48 of 52 (463321)
04-15-2008 10:15 AM
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04-15-2008 3:15 AM


What on earth are you talking about?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 51 of 52 (463363)
04-15-2008 6:48 PM
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04-15-2008 12:37 PM


What I'm talking about is this supposed evolutionary process of the eye is most likely the exact same process the eye takes when forming in the womb ...
When you say that this is "most likely", do you have a scrap of evidence for this assertion?
which in reality is not any proof that it ever evolved over millions or billions of years through chance production ...
Before you maunder on any further about evolution, perhaps you should find out what the theory of evolution is.
It's a natural process that takes place every time an egg is fertilized. Nothing remotely new or dramatic.
And yet creationists who will admit that this process can happen in months pretend that it can't possibly happen over millions of years. Though this, too, is a natural process.

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