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Dr Adequate
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Message 61 of 65 (429207)
10-18-2007 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by bluescat48
10-18-2007 8:11 PM


Re: message 30
so am i to believe that all Atheist-evolutionists hate Protestant Christians, and that all murderers are atheists?

Well of course, dammit. Otherwise creationists would be ... liars.


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bluegenes
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Message 62 of 65 (439793)
12-10-2007 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by bluegenes
10-03-2007 9:14 AM


Bump for Hitler Discussions
bluegenes in the O.P. writes:

Hitler seems to have been haunting the EvC threads a lot recently.
He's often off topic. It seems to be part of the old bastard's character.

That's why I think that he and the Nazis should have a thread of their own. On topic here is anything about Hitler's beliefs and those of other Nazis. Also, any thoughts as to the reasons for the rise of Nazi-ism.

Discussion of the roles of economics, religion, biological theories, and philosophy in the rise of Nazi-ism are definitely on topic.

Two months after I wrote that, the Ghost of Hitler is with us again, particularly in a thread on the ToE and morality.

The O.P. on this thread is deliberately very broad, and all aspects of Nazi-ism can be discussed, leaving the other thread freer to decide whether or not scientific theories give us our morals.


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bluescat48
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Message 63 of 65 (439795)
12-10-2007 1:26 PM
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10-18-2007 8:16 PM


Re: message 30
I rest my case.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other

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Brad McFall
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Message 64 of 65 (463504)
04-17-2008 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by bluegenes
10-03-2007 9:14 AM


double post
sorry

Edited by Brad McFall, : removed double post


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Brad McFall
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Message 65 of 65 (463505)
04-17-2008 7:56 PM
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10-03-2007 9:14 AM


Hitler and Darwin
antiLIE quoted Hitler
quote:
But let's not speculate, lets see what Hitler says; "Because everyone who believes in the higher evolution of living organisms must admit that every manifestation of the vital urge and struggle to live must have had a definite beginning in time and that one subject alone must have manifested it for the first time. It was then repeated again and again; and the practice of it spread over a widening area, until finally it passed into the subconscience of every member of the species, where it manifested itself as 'instinct.'" - Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler; Volume Two - The National Socialist Movement; Chapter IV: Personality and the Conception of the Folkish State

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=17&t=234&m=118#116 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=17&t=234&m=118#116">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=17&t=234&m=118#116

but also said there:

quote:
We know that this was not Darwin's fault.
refering to human killing of humans.

I don't know that Darwin himself can get out from the thumbnail polish so easily.

The problem IS that Hitler combined "vital urge" and "struggle to live" across the Earth which is not the way that Darwin covered the same ground. But I do see, think and feel that Science itself has not really gotten to decide fully for Darwin's specific view. I reason that Croizat had a better take on it. Darwin did allow other checks than the specific struggle but Hitler did not witness the "correlatio of organization" statistically. His own actions created the vital stats.

AND Hitler combined BACK to the first cause, whatever that might be speculated to be for Darwin, without noticing that seperate creation was argued agasint (IN THE LOCAL REGION that AHitler had as "area")) or rather Hitler had to have assumed that vital whatevers were "isolationistic" per life and deaths. That seems a bit more petacostal for my own view even if I thought I had apphrenended something of the relevant theology.

There is an intellectual link between Nazism and Darwinsm but BECAUSE as I said, I do not find science having decided specifically to or absolutely exactly in Darwin's sense (differening interpretations of this sense are what we have at present) this is only an "academic" exercise and not something that is in practice.

I do not find this link to be what is wrong with Evolution from the creationist prespecitve. Rather the probelm exists in some guise in the videos from Don Exodus (in another thread) where he simply relates "evolution" to 'descent' without even making the distinction Hitler did between 'vital urge' and 'struggle to live'.


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