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Message 106 of 438 (462828)
04-09-2008 6:40 PM


FOX News Review

Scroll down under the Mariah Cary review.

When an outlet like FOX News says this movie sucks...

It's gotta be bad.

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Directed by one Nathan Frankowski, "Expelled" is a sloppy, all-over-the-place, poorly made (and not just a little boring) "expose" of the scientific community. It’s not very exciting. But it does show that Stein, who’s carved out a career selling eye drops in commercials and amusing us on sitcoms, is either completely nuts or so avaricious that he’s abandoned all good sense to make a buck.

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Message 107 of 438 (462883)
04-10-2008 10:08 AM


Not only that, but they are being sued for ripping off another animation companies intellectual property.

Expelled producers accused of copyright infringement

On April 9, 2008, XVIVO, the animation company which produced an award-winning animation of "The Inner Life of the Cell," charged producers of a forthcoming "intelligent design" film with copyright infringement. In a letter to Logan Craft, chairman of Premise Media Corp., the producer of Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (featuring Ben Stein), XVIVO claimed that a segment of Expelled portraying the complexity of the cell is patterned upon segments of their well-known animation, produced on behalf of Harvard University.

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Message 108 of 438 (462977)
04-11-2008 1:05 AM
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On April 9, 2008, XVIVO, the animation company which produced an award-winning animation of "The Inner Life of the Cell," charged producers of a forthcoming "intelligent design" film with copyright infringement. In a letter to Logan Craft, chairman of Premise Media Corp., the producer of Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (featuring Ben Stein), XVIVO claimed that a segment of Expelled portraying the complexity of the cell is patterned upon segments of their well-known animation, produced on behalf of Harvard University.

Muahahahahahahahah!!!

Serves them right.

Edited by Taz, : No reason given.


I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

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Message 109 of 438 (463098)
04-12-2008 1:47 AM


Clips from the movie
There are 7 clips (about 22 minutes total) here:

http://www.wingclips.com/cart.php?target=category&category_id=778


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Message 110 of 438 (463120)
04-12-2008 8:20 AM
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Re: Clips from the movie
Just noting a few things:

  • The 4th clip includes mentions of eugenics and Nazism, including a clip of Hitler.

  • The 5th clip includes a shot of a monkey using a laptop under the narration of the familiar monkies/typewriters/Shakespeare story.

  • The 6th and 7th clips are the long and short versions of the movie trailer that most of us have probably seen already.

--Percy


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Message 111 of 438 (463127)
04-12-2008 11:55 AM
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Re: Clips from the movie
Percy, I'm asking you now. Do you think this is a satire? I still can't tell.

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Message 112 of 438 (463128)
04-12-2008 12:20 PM
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04-12-2008 11:55 AM


Re: Clips from the movie
Hey, those clips made my Bullshit-o-Meter explode!

I think Bill Dembski is a satire. Seriously, he must be some kind of comedy character, no-one could really be that damn stupid.


Mutate and Survive

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Message 113 of 438 (463130)
04-12-2008 12:37 PM
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Re: Clips from the movie
Taz writes:

Percy, I'm asking you now. Do you think this is a satire? I still can't tell.

Obviously not satire, don't know why you're even considering the possibility. It will be interesting to finally see it and discover if it's really as poorly made as initial reports claim. Tactics like allusions to Hitler are something you'd expect from a first year film student with delusions of significance, so it doesn't seem promising.

But quality aside, the film will succeed in cementing in fundamentalist minds how misbegotten and evil is evolution. The lesson ID learned from creationism is, "When the facts is on your side then use the facts, otherwise obfuscate and demonize."

--Percy


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Message 114 of 438 (463207)
04-13-2008 4:18 AM
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Re: Clips from the movie
Percy writes:

Obviously not satire, don't know why you're even considering the possibility.


Because there's still a part of me that believes noone is that stupid... at least not any adult anyway. I haven't seen this film yet, but from what I saw in the previews it seems like they're using the same old PRATTs all over again.


I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

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Message 115 of 438 (463208)
04-13-2008 7:03 AM
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Re: Clips from the movie
Taz writes:

Percy writes:

Obviously not satire, don't know why you're even considering the possibility.

Because there's still a part of me that believes noone is that stupid... at least not any adult anyway.

It's definitely not satire, Taz, but you're on the right track when you mention people being stupid. The film will certainly backfire against the I.D. people. Here's how the (Jewish) Anti-Defamation League reacted to a previous (2006) attempt to blame The ToE for the holocaust:

quote:
...Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis.

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/4877_52.htm

The choice of a Jewish presenter for the film may not be a coincidence, as the above comment was made about a documentary by Christian "supremacists" (people who openly want to turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy).

The Discovery Institute has at least one prominent Christian supremacist donor/supporter, and I wonder if Ben Stein really understands the minefield he's walking into.

He clearly doesn't understand the science, for one thing, and he may be politically naive as well.


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Message 116 of 438 (463499)
04-17-2008 7:06 PM


my opinion
I find it amusing that the world we live in scurries around like ants with no queen as soon as they are challenged. The very fabric of what they consider their common sense is nothing more than a life time of brain washing. I know, I was the same way for almost 30 years of my life. In the United States of America we are taught to accept the media and academia by our despot government. This ranges from the way we eat, how to dress, our entertainment obsessions to the way we view science, politics and religion. Our nation has accepted the edict of toleration that was founded by the then 'new found' Catholic church in 325AD by becoming a Politically Correct country. It might be constitutional to speak your mind, but it isn't "P.C.".

This brings me to the new, now deemed controversial, documentary EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed. Ben Stein who was respected in the media as being an intelligent actor and comedian is now being viewed as "completely nuts or so avaricious that he's abandoned all good sense to make a buck". The modern media militia considers Creationism as a "faith-without-facts warhorse". This is just part of their debasement arsenal. They are very good at tearing down their enemies and lifting them selves up with their credentials, making a name for themselves so they can have authority. This is the same concept as the cannibal priests of Babylon worshiping Baal, Mithra and Moloch. They decided to Make a name for themselves and turn from the Creator so they could have their own authority. "The film was just silly, with virtually zero scientific content, which, of course, is not surprising coming from Ben Stein - a comedian, speech writer and game show host . . . but not a scientist. " - Amanda Gefter

See, America accepts religious "tolerance" so we are not supposed to speak our mind and accept that every one has their own religion. If we do we are labled radicals and fundamentalists. This is was proposed by Emperor Constantine, Cesar and Christian of the now known Catholic church, in 325AD. This was the birth of Catholicism, Papacy, the Eucharist, and the Christ-Mass (Christmas). It was brought about because he was losing the war with the Goths, Visigoths and the Huns. He then amalgamated the pagan traditions in to the church to appease his enemies. He wanted every one to get along; he perfected apostasy in the process. This is what led to the reformation of the church by Christian leaders such as Martin Luther and John Calvin. America is the melting pot, the land of opportunity from every nation. With all of the immigration comes foreign religions as well.

My "religion" [ancient Christianity] dictates no tolerance on the matter, however most Neo-Christian doctrines follow the same guidelines of the ancient catholics, esoteric paganism, and the Occult. They teach peace and tranquillity if you choose their religion. According to the Holy Bible, Christ died for his "called out" not every one on the planet. So first off, Secular Humanists and Evolutionists have an incorrect view of Christianity. Second, they want to make a name for themselves. This is in direct contridiction to the true doctrine of Christ and is why they are such enemies.

This Documentary is attacked from every angle you can imagine because it is uncovering the prejudice of the secular humanist academia. It is also exposing the ties from Darwin to euthanasia, abortion, eugenics, racism and the Holocaust. But Naturalists, or Humanists will never admit this.. they think it is human nature to kill everything..."It's in the film's final third that it runs entirely off the rails as Stein argues that there is a clear line from Darwinism to euthanasia, abortion, eugenics and--wait for it-- Nazism. ...... The truth, of course, is that the only necessary and sufficient condition for human beings to murder one another is the simple fact of being human. We've always been a lustily fratricidal species, one that needed no Charles Darwin to goad us into millenniums of self-slaughter." - JEFFREY KLUGER- TIME Magazine Thursday, Apr. 10, 2008. See, they like to toss terms around like "simple fact" to endorse their authority, and most importantly we kill each other .. evolution gives us a reason.

So since we have historically killed each other they think that the racism influenced doctrine of evolution had nothing to do with Hitler's obsession of wiping out the lower evolved humans. He considered this survival of the fittest. Hitler, like many Neo-Christians, used Religion as a political weapon. He claimed that the Aryan race was God's Favored race and every one else was "sub-human". However Sir Arthur Keith states "The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution." Keith, A., Evolution and Ethics, Putnam, NY, USA, p. 230, 1947. Evolutionists will always try to make Hitler out to be this Christian Killing in the name of God. Because he was quoted many times portraying this facade. But the people who knew him, knew otherwise.. and many historians who study Hitler also see past his ruse. "[Hitler] stressed and singled out the idea of biological evolution as the most forceful weapon aganst traditional religion and he repeatedly condemned Christianity for it's opposition to the teaching of evolution…. For Hitler, evolution was the hallmark of modern science and culture, and he defended it's veracity as tenaciously as Haeckel." Gasmann, Daniel, The Scientific Origins of National Socialism: Social Darwinism in Ernst Haeckel and the German Monist League (New York: American Elsevier, 1971),p 168. Also Hsü, Kenneth J., "Sedimentary Petrology and Biologic Evolution," Journal of Sedimentary Petrology, vol. 56 (September 1986), p 730 states... "Haeckelian Darwinism found it's terroristic expression in national socialism. For Hitler, evolution was the hallmark of modern science and his 'views of history, politics, religion, Christianity, nature, eugenics, science, art, and evolution, … coincide for the most part with those of Haeckel.' In the biological theory of Darwin, Hitler found his most powerful weapon against traditional values."

This seems to be a serious provocation to the secular Humanists. Saying that Hitler had succumb to the dark side and massacred millions because of evolution. Well, we know that it wasn't "because" of Evolution! He was a megamaniacal psychopath who used his warped neo-christian and humanistic evolutionary views of a master race to justify his own sick vision of utopia. We know that this was not Darwin's fault. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you are going to kill some one.. But in the wrong hands it becomes a weapon. The exact same can be said for neo-christianity, islam, and any religion. In fact it is safe to say .. that God is dangerous, because there is nothing that happens that is not his Will.

The argument goes on and it will until the end. The naturalists will continue their intellectually vacuous debasement of super- naturalists to lift themselves up. The Super-Natural Catastrophists who believe in a literal 6-day creation will go on doing what they can to wake up the few chosen. It is ongoing, ... just wanted to put my 2 cents in.

angent antiLIE of the AGDT
~~end of transmission~~

Edited by antiLIE, : fixing hitler reference per Modulous


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Message 117 of 438 (463500)
04-17-2008 7:19 PM
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Re: your opinion is nutty and off-topic
I'm sure there are other threads where Hitler would be on topic (and, hey! Here is one!)

This is a thread about the movie Expelled. Unless you have some specific points to make about it or replies to specific criticisms, maybe you'd be better off in another thread.

-

This brings me to the new, now deemed controversial, documentary EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed. Ben Stein who was respected in the media as being an intelligent actor and comedian is now being viewed as "completely nuts or so avaricious that he's abandoned all good sense to make a buck".

Well, I don't know why someone who points out the obvious fact that Stein's movie is inaccurate and factually incorrect is similar to Hitler, but then I've never understood theology.


Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Message 118 of 438 (463501)
04-17-2008 7:28 PM
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Re: your opinion is nutty and off-topic
Okay, let me make my self very clear. I only talked about Hitler because the said movie in question has that as a topic. here is the quote again from one of the reviews;

JEFFREY KLUGER- TIME Magazine Thursday, Apr. 10, 2008 writes:

"It's in the film's final third that it runs entirely off the rails as Stein argues that there is a clear line from Darwinism to euthanasia, abortion, eugenics and--wait for it-- Nazism. ...... The truth, of course, is that the only necessary and sufficient condition for human beings to murder one another is the simple fact of being human. We've always been a lustily fratricidal species, one that needed no Charles Darwin to goad us into millenniums of self-slaughter." - .


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Message 119 of 438 (463529)
04-17-2008 9:55 PM
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Re: your opinion is nutty and off-topic
By your line of reasoning, we should all sit on our fat asses all day and get fatter, considering the fact that the nazis were health freaks. The nazis were also environmental freaks. By your line of reasoning, we all should just completely trash the environment and pollute this planet as much as we can.

Just because an evil person or organization decided to use a symbol or idea to further their evil agendas doesn't mean that the symbol or idea in itself is necessarily evil or that the opposite is necessarily good.

Did you know that Hitler was pro-military? By your line of reasoning, we should dismantle our military completely.


I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

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Message 120 of 438 (463533)
04-17-2008 10:41 PM
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Re: my opinion
antiLIE writes:

It is also exposing the ties from Darwin to euthanasia, abortion, eugenics, racism and the Holocaust.

So, antiLIE, how would you feel if evolutionists put out a movie "exposing the ties from" Jesus to genocide, Inquisition and Salem witch trials? I think it's only fair that the public be made aware of this assault the very ethical and moral fabric of our society.

But, wait: do you actually see evolutionists doing this--making movies and setting up political campaigns to attack creationism? No: we generally stick to our laboratories and work on improving our theories. Most evolutionary biologists don't even interact with creationists. Why? Because we're not the aggressors in this conflict. Remember that next time you spout paranoid nonsense like the following:

antiLIE writes:

They are very good at tearing down their enemies and lifting them selves up with their credentials, making a name for themselves so they can have authority.

antiLIE writes:

This Documentary is attacked from every angle you can imagine because it is uncovering the prejudice of the secular humanist academia.

antiLIE writes:

The naturalists will continue their intellectually vacuous debasement of super- naturalists to lift themselves up.


I'm Thylacosmilus.

Darwin loves you.


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